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Jue Mayo 29 13:38:36 CEST 2014

oss the Atlantic and the Pacific. I speak now not of the past 500 years, bu=
t from the last 5000 years or more.

With the communication system we can implement this part much easier. We do=
 the same what the Ottomans began in the year 725 in Damascus. &quot;The Ho=
use of Knowledge&quot;. For us it is the global library of all the knowledg=
e of mankind. Freely accessible for each person. Even in the jungle or on t=
he mountain. Knowledge is always world heritage.

To the strategy? 
 
To support the people to be locally economically independent. To be in a po=
sition to determine their own way of life itself. The requirements always a=
rise from the local area. 
 
The FLOK project could be an engine for it. But it is not. It is the same b=
rake pad like all other government programs worldwide. People are reduced t=
o objects. 
 
For us, the people are themselves the subjects. We can only help. And only,=
 if they ask us. Only where we live themselves and are active, we are also =
the sovereign subjects. 
 
Also, the P2P Foundation is no helpful, because it has nothing to do with t=
he basics. The PPL and the concept of &quot;Partner State&quot; is a way in=
to the swamp. We do not need licenses and no state. We need active and crea=
tive people in their local environments.

And the global and free communication system. 
 
But not that crap what we call the Internet today. This catastrophic addres=
sing method with the catastrophic routing mechanisms. Even if we view the T=
CP protocol, it will give us bad. All this only, because at the lower IP le=
vel no error checking and correction takes place.

The only thing we have to organize globally is the transport of IP packets.=
 And if we send a packet and receive no error message from the first segmen=
t, then we know that it has arrived. Along the way there is the task of the=
 routers to transport the packages.

The second is the address. We always communicate from one geographic locati=
on. These are our local networks. So we use the geographical position for o=
ur IP address. Then, each router knows immediately what he has to do. And a=
ll of these moronic &quot;Internet governance&quot; is superfluous.

I write now so much to the communication system, because it is our most imp=
ortant tool. Free access to the free knowledge and the free exchange of our=
 information. So that people are in every place in our world in a position =
to meet their needs locally and regionally itself. And all the activists ca=
n develop the best methods then together.

If we do not start, never we come to the end. 
 
Or, if we do not go, we do not arrive. Today, people are driven into the co=
nsumerism. They are then the perfect slaves. Or how Quiliro it said, they d=
etermine their own rulers. 
 
So it is true also for us: When we need something, or think that we need it=
, we search the way to make it. Just as it always did our ancestors. And we=
 will notice immediately, that we have to clean massivly our environment. A=
ll the garbage around us we have to bring in the recycling station. States,=
 military, national police forces, parliaments, the judiciary. Everything i=
n the trash. This creates space for free self-development.

<br>
The paths will be regional different. Important are only our common goals. =
Then we will meet us someday.<div class=3D""><br>
<br>
many greetings, willi<br>
Bogota, Colombia<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Betreff: Re: [labsurlab] egoismo<br>
Datum: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:54:19 -0300<br>
Von: Galleguindio Ramirez &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:galleguindioramirez en tribuna=
hacker.com.ar" target=3D"_blank">galleguindioramirez@<u></u>tribunahacker.c=
om.ar</a>&gt;<br>
Antwort an: <a href=3D"mailto:labsurlab en lists.aktivix.org" target=3D"_blank=
">labsurlab en lists.aktivix.org</a><br>
An: <a href=3D"mailto:labsurlab en lists.aktivix.org" target=3D"_blank">labsur=
lab en lists.aktivix.org</a><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
<br>
Soy Galleguindio Ramirez de Argentina.<br>
<br>
Aunque comparto mayormente lo que he le=C3=ADdo, tengo ciertos prejuicios a=
<br>
que la organizaci=C3=B3n de la estupidez sea solo latinoam=C3=A9ricana.<br>
<br>
He militado durante la mayor parte de mi vida en la izquierda; pero hace 10=
 a=C3=B1os gire a un tecnociberanarquismo para llamarlo de alguna manera. E=
n tu larga postulaci=C3=B3n de egoismos y desiluciones planteas que te desi=
lucionaron los movimientos indianos, y el zapatista en principio. =C2=BFPor=
que? En mi larga experiencia con los movimientos indianos desde el zapatism=
o chiapaneco, hasta el katarismo pandore=C3=B1o y llegando al mapu sure=C3=
=B1o; no conosco experiencia de practica asamblearia m=C3=A1s comunista (yo=
 prefiero el termino comunitaria).<br>

Mi posici=C3=B3n es la opuesta; mis desiluciones est=C3=A1n puestas en los =
blancos tecnicos &quot;revolucionarios&quot; que han venido a civilizar la =
protesta. Un gran ejemplo es el MoCaSe cooptado por los t=C3=A9cnicos de la=
 Universidad de Catalunya y la Agrotecnol=C3=B3gica de Baires que hoy ocupa=
n la direcci=C3=B3n del MNCI (Movimiento Nacional Campesino-Indigena). Para=
 m=C3=AD las desiluciones est=C3=A1n directamente relacionadas con el cambi=
o de cosmovisi=C3=B3n; =C2=BFen que cambia un Correa que quiere explotar el=
 Yasumi o una CFK que quiere explotar los Hielos Continentales; con un &quo=
t;hacker&quot; o &quot;revolucionario&quot; que trae la biblia de las revol=
uciones bajo el brazo?

Mientras no se independice la red de los estados y las empresas; mientras n=
o se practique en lo anal=C3=B3gico la libertad que proponemos para lo virt=
ual todo ser=C3=A1 solo una f=C3=A1bula. 
 
Para m=C3=AD el comunismo esta parado sobre el egoismo; pero no generaciona=
lmente, sino conceptualmente. Traen la tara de encaramarse en sus direccion=
es y proteger sus quintitas a.un a costa de dejar todo como esta y salen ba=
stante seguido vistiendo sus plumas y concheros.

El verdadero nudo creo yo es la falta de un sujeto autosustentable; que 
pueda proveerse de sus necesidades primarias. Vivir al margen de la 
sociedad de consumo es casi m=C3=A1s trabajoso que integrarla. =3DD 
 
Yo creo que FLOCK no tiene una mirada inclusiva hacia las escuelas 
porque no se plantea cambiar la sociedad; su objetivo es concreto 
cambiar la matriz productiva ecuatoriana para darle mayor valor agregado a =
la explotaci=C3=B3n de los comunes. 
 
El Gobierno Abierto; la Econom=C3=ADa del Conocimiento y muchas otras que h=
oy se desprenden de nuestras conceptualizaciones y se aplican desde arriba =
hacia abajo son solo filtros que nos hacen ver un mundo m=C3=A1s colorido. =
Una libertad FICCIONARIO donde podes fornicar en la calle, pero no pod=C3=
=A9s acceder al nivel A.

Ahora cual es la estrategia? Apoyar a las izquierdas triunfantes? Apoyar a =
las comunidades liberadas perifericas? Y un largo etc de posibilidades. 
 
O sea cuales son las formas que compartimos en lo virtual que podremos 
trasladar a lo anal=C3=B3gico? 
Y a que comunidad nos referimos cuando hablamos? 
Son las tecnolog=C3=ADas que estamos desarrollando bajo Copyleft veh=C3=ADc=
ulos 
que le sirvan a la comunidad para ejercer la libertad? 
 
Un abrazo 
Desde Chilibroste Argentina 
 
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