[P2P-es] A parting of ways with Bernardo Gutierrez

Sab Jul 5 16:20:05 CEST 2014

Hello you all

I think there are several misunderstandings and some unfair accusation. Try
to be polity and to explain the problems:

In the last few days, I have been harassed and threatened by Bernardo
> Gutierrez, who tried to suppress the publication of an evalution of the
> FLOK process, which you can find here:
> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-provisional-informal-assessment-of-the-flok-transition-process-in-ecaudor/2014/07/01
>
>
It is complitily false. Never tried .In fact, it is the first time that I
know that you published in the blog. Our discussion started when I told you
that it was not propor to share in FACEBOOK (it is quite clear in all of
our mails), now, those critics to FLOK process, right now. Having had
several problems, It is an important moment to know what it is going to
happen. May it does not help. I valu your version, but desagree in several
points. Correa (the president) invited the guest of the FLOK to the Cambio
de Guardia. He spoke about FLOK in Sabatina. We were working with high
level politicians, as Cancilleria (minister PatiÃ±o), Senplades and even
people from presidency. So, I think it was not such an unknow project. In
fact, it became, during and after the Summit a quite important project for
the Whole Ecuatorian Goverment

> In this text, I simply make a political evalution of my 6 months in
> Ecuador, as I see it, as I believe was both my right (of free speech), and
> a duty to the p2p community, who has been asking for it. It is in my view a
> moderate and considered political evaluation, though of course, as my
> opinion, open to critique and counter-argumentation.
>

I think it is good, Michel, And you are an importante person in the
process.

>
> While I would have accepted a conversation asking me to postpone it, in
> order to safeguard some potential backroom deal in Ecuador, instead BG
> thought it would be useful to publicly threaten the publication of my
> private emails, thinking this would frighten me. It doesn't, as I don't
> believe I write anything in private that can't see the light of the day.
> But private email involves other persons and I find it very ethically
> objectionable that he would use this as a threat.
>

Another big misanderstanding. I think it  horrible to publish any private
conversation. In fact, I am super critic with private conversation going
public. I was joking and exagerating the fact that Gordon Cook violated
privacy and made a report with that. Publishing in networks some things is
not good. So, If you understand that, I am sorry. We have more people in
that conversation, that probably did not undestand that.

>
> This is not the first time, a few months ago, Bernardo tried to suppress
> any balanced treatment of Fora do Eixo (
> http://p2pfoundation.net/Fora_do_Eixo) and even objected to the mention
> of chilean groups that were somehow one day, connected with FdO. BG's
> totally unfounded accusation then was that "I defended FdO because I was
> getting a free PhD from Ivana Bentes".
>

That is a private mail. PRIVATE CONVERSATION, Michel. But, well, I think
that is my personal opinion, yes. I donÂ´t need to hide it.

> It gave me a first insight into his unfair mindset. To be clear, I was not
> then nor  am I now, neither defending nor attacking FdO, but the p2p-f is
> conceived as a pluralistic network to show different perspectives on an
> issue, helping people make their own decisions. We don't want to be
> factional and choose one side or another within the broad p2p community. I
> found it strange then that Bernardo was exerting pressure to have only one
> side of the story seen as legitimate, and refused an open debate on the
> merits of the critique. I could only be radically against FdO, no nuance
> was permitted.
>

That is not true. I asked you how did you make the list of p2p projects of
the year. Almost all the node sof Brazil P2P branch were disgusted with
that, none was consulted. . At the end, we knew it was more your list than
P2p List. I am specially critic with FdO, but it is on you the aproach

>
> The second incident came with the aftermath of the FLOK. In the above
> evaluation, I avoid studiously to mention or critique internal matters,
> believing that it would only make matters worse. But I have had to suffer
> there the systematic unfounded accusations against my friends and
> associates: BG has simply reiterated and continue to spread unfounded
> accusations against excellent people I had the opportunity to work with :
> BT,, AD, GC, the research team , the communication team ...
>

You are again publishing private conversations. With Gordon Cook we argued
in the list, that is true. Not the rest. So I will deny that, because is
quite far from reality. You also make big critics to many people (some of
this list) in our conversations But I think it is not proper to divulgate
here, Michel. Private conversation (me and you ) is private.

> What is worse, even when I sent information to BG advising him not to
> re-iterate these accusations based on facts that I provided to him, he
> would continue spreading them, totally ignoring the counter-factuals I had
> sent him. For example, BG has coninued to spread disinfo about Gordon Cook
> that he is a neocon, opposed to copyleft, and other falsehoods, even after
> receiving documentation to the contrary.
>

I feel sorry, Michel. But Gordon Cook  has been publishing with Copy Right
ever. He has a lot of problems, health, as well. The problem began when he
told FLOk that he could only travel in business, because of his health
problems. The management team tryed, but could no be that. The quality of
the drafts sent was not good. Neither shape of paper neither quality. You
did a nice job editing the second one amd transforming it into a goog
paper. But for many reason, it was impossible to get the business ticket.
And he started a war. The burocracy was terrible and he could not be paid
(just coming to Ecuador). Believe that has nothing to do with me. After the
dirty war he began (violating privacy and laws), he deserve to not be paid,
in my opinion.

"Bernardo's attempt to suppress an independent evaluation is a proof of the
latter. How would a healthy p2p process be endangered by an open
discussion? The truth is that the flok attempted to create a mythology of
success, and of political and social support that wasn't there, and that
Bernardo's highly stage-managed twitter storms were part of that effort. "

I am not trying to suppress anything, Michel! I just told you that it was
not propor to publish now in Facebook!!! in the moment of the reshaping of
the project. I feel really sorry of your accusation about communication
strategy. A Twitter Storm is a 1% of what we did. We created a strong
participatory process, wiht personal meetings, seminars, speeches. We did
wordk shop in 24 cities, with 500 local leaders (who were in the summit).
we published more than 100 post un few months, we did many hang outs (many
with researchers), p2pbeer. We worked with Cancilleria (international
affair minister), with their Ecuela RevoluciÃ³n, people from 40 countries.
We made meeting in squatters (with Restakis, researcher), we made cultural
collaborative mappings, Mumble meetings etc etc. We presented in MAdrid, in
the arab-latin american summit, in Media Lab Prado. All of that is
communication. Communication is conection, and that is what happened. A
twitter storm never work if there is no network. And we got it, with a lot
of difficulties. At the begining it was a top down project. It became more
organic. So, It is not a twitter storm, Michel.

"The very reason that BG is attempting to suppress an evualuation of the
FLOK, is that it endangered potential backroom deals. My thesis is: if they
are endangered by an open discussion, what value do these deals ultimately
have?
I'm preparing an evaluative essay on "Hacker Bolchevism, the paranoid style
of politics in p2p' to critique the non-prefigurative politics that were so
 characteristic of the FLOK internal process"

Your critics are necessary. In fact, I respect them. But I think that you
do them in the wrong places (Facebook, this list, for example). The last
Facebook schandal, some months ago, when they ought some money, was proper
and worked. Not this one.

"Stalinistic tactics have no place in an open p2p culture".

It is commom sense, Michel. this mail of you, for examplo, is out of place
in this moment

"I do not intend to pollute the p2p lists with these personal antagonisms
(even as they reveal antagonistic value systems and political and
metholodgical approaches). I will at most respond once to the
counter-accusations that will undoubtedly follow this, but I can't tolerate
public and private intimidation when I am  no longer part of the flok team".

Sorry, but I think this is pollution. No one accusated you in any list. I
never would do it.

It is me who think you should reconsider your position. We all have
(researchers, management team, communication team)  done an interesting and
innovative worlk, begining from you and ending with the secretary. It would
be a pitty to espoil that

Best
Bernardo

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record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..*

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