<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">thanks to all (bob, james) and especially also to Dan for these thoughtful reactions, I would be very interested in getting more links from you<div><br></div><div>this also goes to the heart of the matter: <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/frank-pasquale-on-the-shift-from-territorial-to-functional-sovereignty/2018/01/16">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/frank-pasquale-on-the-shift-from-territorial-to-functional-sovereignty/2018/01/16</a> ; <a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/frank-pasquale/from-territorial-to-functional-sovereignty-case-of-amazon">https://www.opendemocracy.net/digitaliberties/frank-pasquale/from-territorial-to-functional-sovereignty-case-of-amazon</a></div><div><br></div><div>note that this exactly how Marx said what would happen under first stage socialism, i.e. the growth of functional governance to replace state functions</div><div><br></div><div>in my view, this is also what the commons/commoners are doing, but at a much slower and underfunded scale, (where are we on this pathway ? see <a href="https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/emergence.html">https://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/emergence.html</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>HOWEVER, a lot is happening in this field, see for example how the european land stewardship organizations are growing, maturing, interconnecting and crowdfunding themselves (see the p2p fb forum , but in particular our agri forum for links on this)</div><div><br></div><div>to give you a taste see at the bottom the wiki links:  <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div></div><div><br></div><div>our next planned publication, here available in draft form, also discusses and reviews how post-blockchain ledgers can advance this substantially: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hGzAAv9RRiVP3N7yhCDNPUMTYRbW-bQXJT6D3urVy34/edit#heading=h.wdsr38sud382">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hGzAAv9RRiVP3N7yhCDNPUMTYRbW-bQXJT6D3urVy34/edit#heading=h.wdsr38sud382</a></div><div><br></div><div><div>wiki links, a day's work <g>: </div><div><br></div><div><div style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Investing_in_Regenerative_Agriculture gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span>     11:25 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Investing_in_Regenerative_Agriculture" title="Investing in Regenerative Agriculture" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Investing in Regenerative Agriculture</a></span>‎ (<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Investing_in_Regenerative_Agriculture&curid=37702&diff=113569&oldid=113538" tabindex="1" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">diff</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Investing_in_Regenerative_Agriculture&curid=37702&action=history" title="Investing in Regenerative Agriculture" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <span dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="402 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+105)</span>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;unicode-bidi:embed">Mbauwens</a> <span class="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-P2P_Blog_Podcast_of_the_Day gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span>     </td><td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ss="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span> <span class="gmail-comment" style="font-style:italic">(Created page with " Podcast via <a href="https://soundcloud.com/investinginregenerativeagriculture/interview-thomas-rippel">https://soundcloud.com/investinginregenerativeagriculture/interview-thomas-rippel</a>? Investing in Regenerative Agriculture #33: Thomas Rippel, using a blockchain t...")</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Terrafina_Foundation gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span>     11:10 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Terrafina_Foundation" title="Terrafina Foundation" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Terrafina Foundation</a></span>‎ (<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Terrafina_Foundation&curid=37695&diff=113565&oldid=113546" tabindex="5" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">diff</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Terrafina_Foundation&curid=37695&action=history" title="Terrafina Foundation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <span dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="1,282 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+91)</span>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;unicode-bidi:embed">Mbauwens</a> <span class="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span> <span class="gmail-comment" style="font-style:italic">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Terrafina_Foundation#More_information" title="Terrafina Foundation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">→</a>‎<span dir="auto"><span class="gmail-autocomment" style="color:gray">More information</span></span>)</span></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px"><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Global_Blockchain_Land_Registry gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top">    17:24 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Global_Blockchain_Land_Registry" title="Global Blockchain Land Registry" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Global Blockchain Land Registry</a></span>‎ (diff | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Global_Blockchain_Land_Registry&curid=37714&action=history" title="Global Blockchain Land Registry" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <strong dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="1,348 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+1,348)</strong>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;u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pecial:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span><span class="gmail-comment" style="font-style:italic">(Created page with " =Example= ==<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Terrafina_Foundation" title="Terrafina Foundation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Terrafina Foundation</a>== Thomas Rippel: "Terrafina Foundation is a non-profit entity to be registered in Zug, Switzerland. The Foundation develops and maint...")</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Blockchain_Technology_for_Land_Registries gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span><abbr class="gmail-newpage" title="This edit created a new page" style="font-weight:bold;border-bottom:1px dotted">N</abbr>    17:12 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Blockchain_Technology_for_Land_Registries" title="Blockchain Technology for Land Registries" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Blockchain Technology for Land Registries</a></span>‎ (diff | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Blockchain_Technology_for_Land_Registries&curid=37712&action=history" title="Blockchain Technology for Land Registries" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <strong dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="1,562 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+1,562)</strong>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;unicode-bidi:embed">Mbauwens</a> <span class="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span> <span class="gmail-comment" style="font-style:italic">(Created page with " =Discussion= Thomas Rippel: "The versatility of blockchain means that it is widely considered as a way to manage financial transactions, asset transfers, and regulatory obl...")</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Farmland-Stewardship_Organization_Cooperatives_in_Europe gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span><abbr class="gmail-newpage" title="This edit created a new page" style="font-weight:bold;border-bottom:1px dotted">N</abbr>    17:11 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Farmland-Stewardship_Organization_Cooperatives_in_Europe" title="Farmland-Stewardship Organization Cooperatives in Europe" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Farmland-Stewardship Organization Cooperatives in Europe</a></span>‎ (diff | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Farmland-Stewardship_Organization_Cooperatives_in_Europe&curid=37711&action=history" title="Farmland-Stewardship Organization Cooperatives in Europe" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <strong dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="1,964 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+1,964)</strong>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;unicode-bidi:embed">Mbauwens</a> <span class="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span> <span class="gmail-comment" style="font-style:italic">(Created page with " =Description= Thomas Rippel on FSO's: "Kulturland Genossenschaft, BioBoden Genossenschaft, and Terre de Liens are European FSO cooperatives founded in the past ten years....")</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Mietshäuser_Syndikat gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px"></span>     17:06 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Mietsh%C3%A4user_Syndikat" title="Mietshäuser Syndikat" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Mietshäuser Syndikat</a></span>‎ (<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Mietsh%C3%A4user_Syndikat&curid=32286&diff=113553&oldid=113550" tabindex="17" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">diff</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Mietsh%C3%A4user_Syndikat&curid=32286&action=history" title="Mietshäuser Syndikat" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">hist</a>) <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <strong dir="ltr" class="gmail-mw-plusminus-pos" title="6,595 bytes after change" style="color:rgb(0,100,0);unicode-bidi:isolate">(+1,672)</strong>‎ <span class="gmail-mw-changeslist-separator">. .</span> <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User:Mbauwens" class="gmail-mw-redirect gmail-mw-userlink" title="User:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none;unicode-bidi:embed">Mbauwens</a> <span class="gmail-mw-usertoollinks">(<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/User_talk:Mbauwens" title="User talk:Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Talk</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" title="Special:Contributions/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">contribs</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Special:Block/Mbauwens" title="Special:Block/Mbauwens" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">block</a>)</span></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-collapsible gmail-mw-collapsed gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-log-move gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-collapsible-toggle gmail-mw-collapsible-arrow gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow gmail-mw-enhancedchanges-arrow-space gmail-mw-collapsible-toggle-collapsed" tabindex="0" style="display:inline-block;zoom:1;width:15px;height:15px;float:right;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-position:0% 100%"></span></td><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top">    </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"></td></tr></tbody></table><table class="gmail-mw-collapsible gmail-mw-collapsed gmail-mw-enhanced-rc gmail-mw-changeslist-ns0-Terrafina_Foundation gmail-mw-changeslist-line-not-watched" style="border:0px;border-spacing:0px"><tbody><tr><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"></td><td class="gmail-mw-enhanced-rc" style="font-family:monospace;white-space:nowrap;padding:0px;vertical-align:top"> 16:43 </td><td style="padding:0px;vertical-align:top"><span class="gmail-mw-title" style="unicode-bidi:embed"><a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Terrafina_Foundation" title="Terrafina Foundation" class="gmail-mw-changeslist-title" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">Terrafina Foundation</a></span>‎‎ (<a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Terrafina_Foundation&curid=37695&diff=113546&oldid=113541" title="Terrafina Foundation" style="color:rgb(11,0,128);text-decoration-line:none;background:none">2 changes</a> | <a href="https://wiki.p2p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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Michel, All,<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thank you for sharing this
article, a truly invigorating take that’s rekindled my own inspiration to a
degree, so I feel compelled to reply. I’ve had a deep interest in social
cybernetics for a long time, writing my MA dissertation twelve years ago on the
potentials for new forms of democratic governance and social organisation
through advances in the spheres of politics, education and technology. Although
familiar with Stafford Beer and Ross Ashby in particular, as well as Habermas,
and having much respect for their works, I was mostly unfamiliar with the more
recent theorists and practitioners covered, and am grateful for the insight and
analysis into these that the authors provided.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alas, I found the work of
those covered, especially that of Khanna and Pentland, rather cold and ominous,
not least as I’ve been based in China these last 3 years and am witnessing
first-hand the role-out of the technocratic state and the ushering in of the
social credit system. Here, the network effects of seamless digital payments
created through tech giants like Tencent and Alibaba already dominate people’s
lives – I can pay for everything from my morning coffee to my bills to plane
tickets using my phone’s messenger app, WeChat. I can order anything I can
think of for delivery or take out a near interest free loan with no more than a
thumbprint using Alipay. Here, even buskers and beggars have QR codes for
donations. <span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However, the downside of this
is becoming ever more apparent – as the ubiquity of technology grows, so too
does social control. For many, everything from mortgage availability to freedom
of movement to choice of schools is linked directly to the conformity to
government policy of not just oneself, but one’s associations, all in the
interests of a harmonious society, the social credit system becoming mandatory
for all from 2020.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Anyway, I thought it a pity
that the article didn’t really go into much depth on the technological
potentials of structured discourse or collaborative deliberation, on
productively harnessing argumentation for learning and governance, for the most
part reducing the participation of citizens to merely providing input and
feedback in the interests of maintaining whole-system stability. Thus the core
view of those championing technocracy lacks heart, ignoring aspects of human
endeavor that I believe should be pivotal, such as truth, trust, freedom and
empathy. The authors themselves allude to this more than a few times in muted
criticism of the work that they cover, but in the end do not put forward any
work attempting to incorporate more broadly ethical and inclusive dimensions
into these so-called participatory designs.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In my own focus on social
cybernetics, I initially took Beer’s Viable Systems Model and applied what I
considered to be universally applicable, positively oriented principles in the
design of effectively structuring deliberation into collaborative,
consensus-based problem-solving and decision-making processes. Beginning with
orienting deliberative groups of three around common aims and working from a
basis of mutual respect, my vision was to build up a functional form of
participatory democratic governance that was able to take into account all
available information and opinion, allowing everyone a say in the ideation
process and the formation of policy solutions and decision-making. <span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">It is the latest iterative
development of this that I tentatively shared with you last year, though I’m
currently at a bit of an impasse in seeking to develop it further into an
online platform, not least as there are so many other promising projects out
there that it is difficult to plot out where my ideas might best fit in. I’m
familiar with Kialo, Democracy Earth, Enspiral, Holocracy and many others, though
I have yet to do much more than establish contact for the most part. I suspect
that perhaps it is time to connect the dots. Should anyone be interested in
discussing further please let me know.<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks again,<span></span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span> </span></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dan<span></span></span></p>





</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 10:37 PM Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yet another attempt of a corporation to take over governmental functions.<br>
<a href="https://blog.goodaudience.com/ibm-and-stellar-should-replace-swift-106398161c63" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.goodaudience.com/ibm-and-stellar-should-replace-swift-106398161c63</a><br>
<br>
In this case, it might be good if they succeeded and then we dealt<br>
with the side-effects.<br>
<br>
While at the same time I am pretty sure that China is working on the<br>
same thing...<br>
On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 1:22 PM <<a href="mailto:jbquilligan3@charter.net" target="_blank">jbquilligan3@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Bullseye. There is a lot to learn here. Thanks for this, Bob!<br>
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> The reason that this is not on most people's radar, I think, is simply that most people have not woken to much of this, despite of the FB/Cambridge Analytica stuff from 2016. It's happened under our noses while we are still seeking the the vision of a cybernetic commons. Frankly, the possibilities of cyber autocracy have gotten way ahead of us now and become part of the capitalist problem. China's use of this tech for social control is only a hint of what it to come as the reality of climate change and non-renewable resources dawns on the leaders of steadily increasing populations.<br>
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> Another great shock will come when one of these monopoly platforms -- maybe it will be Amazon -- starts turning itself into an online bank with enormous network effects. That would lead to a major monetary crisis and also influence the resulting geopolitical solutions.<br>
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> From: "Bob Haugen"<br>
> To: "Michel Bauwens"<br>
> Cc: "p2p-foundation"<br>
> Sent: Thursday October 25 2018 8:25:07AM<br>
> Subject: Re: exceptionally well documented article on cybernetic governance<br>
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> Very interesting article, following up on what has become obvious for at least 2 years, that e.g. FB and Goog have taken on political-governmental roles and Amazon economic governance.<br>
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> What I don't understand is why anybody thinks these developments are not political. Is it because they are not about electoral politics? Or because citizens have no say about them? (As if voting for political candidates was not at least partly a charade...)<br>
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> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 3:07 AM Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com" target="_blank">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> * Article: Res Publica ex Machina: On Neocybernetic Governance and the End of Politics. by FELIX MASCHEWSKI & ANNA-VERENA NOSTHOFF. Institute of Network Cultures, October, 2018<br>
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>> URL = <a href="http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/</a><br>
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>> 3 Examples<br>
>> 4 More information<br>
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>> by FELIX MASCHEWSKI & ANNA-VERENA NOSTHOFF:<br>
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>> "In 2017, Denmark sent the first digital ambassador, Casper Klynge, to Silicon Valley. The aim of this move of ‘techplomacy’ was, as Klynge explained, not simply to distribute greetings notes by the Danish queen. Rather, the intention was to ‘update diplomacy’ based on the recognition that a few tech companies have obviously become much ‘more influential than some nation states’. Klynge framed the new political course in the manner of a well-known old but still utterly contemporary mantra: ‘There is no alternative’. In a similar vein, Denmark’s Foreign Minister Anders Samuelson highlighted the importance of the step as follows: ‘Just as we engage in a diplomatic dialogue with countries, we also need to establish and prioritize comprehensive relations with tech actors, such as Google, Facebook, Apple, and so on. (…) The idea is, we see a lot of companies and new technologies that will in many ways involve and be part of everyday life of citizens in Denmark.' (<a href="http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/</a>)<br>
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>> "The idea to implement tech on new political test grounds is ... mirrored by recent digital initiatives which focus more explicitly on the nation-state. The most poignant concepts in this realm include ideas such as ‘algorithmic regulation’, ‘government as a platform’ (Tim O’Reilly), ‘direct technocracy’ viz. ‘info-states’ (Parag Khanna), ‘smart states’ (Beth Noveck), or ‘social physics’ (Alex Pentland), to name a few. It is vital to explore some of these concepts in greater detail and on a more theoretical and philosophical level. What form of politics is implicitly being promoted in this context? As we argue, this question is best examined against the background of an understanding of these concepts as very idiosyncratic reformulations of cybernetic approaches to the political, which date back to the 1960s. We explore how the implicit visions and concepts rearticulate early concepts of cybernetic politics in their insistence on the vitality of feedback structures, in allegedly blending hierarchy with tenets of decentralization, in shifting the focus from the individual to the interrelations between humans, including the social fabric encompassing them and, most importantly, in how far this might raise problems. Subsequently, this rather theoretical perspective will allow us to examine the extent to which such neo-cybernetic concepts promote a rather reduced vision of the political, or politics as such. As we argue, current approaches to ‘smart’ states or cities and their corresponding models of governance mark no entire automation of politics but at least in certain respects, a pragmatic actualization of cybernetic visions of the state against the background of surveillance capitalism. As such, theoretical dispositifs that have emerged from early ideas of cybernetic politics are still marking certain effects." (<a href="http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://networkcultures.org/longform/2018/10/18/res-publica-ex-machina-on-neocybernetic-governance-and-the-end-of-politics/</a>)<br>
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>> ‘algorithmic regulation’,<br>
>> ‘government as a platform’ (Tim O’Reilly),<br>
>> ‘direct technocracy’ viz. ‘info-states’ (Parag Khanna),<br>
>> ‘smart states’ (Beth Noveck), or<br>
>> ‘social physics’ (Alex Pentland)<br>
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