<div dir="ltr">really beautiful quotes from both Tibi and James ... wow ...<div><br></div><div>a historical perspective might be useful here,i.e. The First European Revolution, 975-1050 from Robert Moore,</div><div><br></div><div>It first highlights the period of deconstruction that started in the 8th century (contrary to popular opinion, roman structures survived without the romans in the germanic states), after the muslims took control of the medittaranean and all trade collapsed, but then, after the social revolution of 975 (the peace of god movements), a period of fast reconstruction began, with a quite amazing civilization in part based on workers' management (the guilds in the low lands, france and germany and italy)</div><div><br></div><div>the key is to work on seed forms in preparation of the reconstructive period, they must be able to deal both with the mainstream system, and its decline, i.e. work on two fronts at the same time, survive and thrive in the monetary economy, while making sure they can have access to resources if the former break down; depend on mainstream dependence, while having a measure of resilience and autonomy beyond it,</div><div><br></div><div>i.e. what Bob and Lynn have done with their life , but at scale <g></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Bob Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">James and all, I trimmed the tail of this message, it had gotten unwieldy.<br>
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> backcasting with holochain<br>
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...is an intriguing idea. I have some idea of what "backcasting"<br>
means, but with holochain?<br>
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Arthur Brock, have you worked on or considered anything like that?<br>
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On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:41 PM, <<a href="mailto:jbquilligan3@charter.net">jbquilligan3@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> that's definitely in the ballpark, Bob -- over the next 20-30 years, as the<br>
> liberal international system breaks down and national sovereignty itself<br>
> becomes highly unstable, it will become increasingly evident that<br>
> economic/ecological' technical/political/cultural regionalism is the only<br>
> way of moving forward without mass social chaos -- what we need now are the<br>
> systems and metrics for making that a reality. something like backcasting<br>
> with holochain<br>
><br>
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