<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">this is exactly the point of adding this, as the sphere of reproduction etc ...</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">but, yes, from the point of view of the political economy for now</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">so the question is for me, what can the commons sector, reconfigured as we propose, do for and with the sphere of the household and reproduction (and vice versa, it's inter-dependence with it)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Bob Haugen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I totally agree that this is a critical conversation and economic<br>
sector. But don't forget raising the children and caring for the<br>
elders.<br>
<br>
A lot of child development and elder care happens in institutions that<br>
are often more-or-less commons, but homes are still the core.<br>
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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Sharon Ede <<a href="mailto:sharonede.au@gmail.com">sharonede.au@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Thanks for this Jose, an important observation:<br>
><br>
>>I have really collapsed household and commons, because I on the one hand, I<br>
>> see the family as a commons and caring as commoning, but on the other hand,<br>
>> I have not seen any solution yet emerge, as how commons-based peer<br>
>> production can actually help the household economy,<br>
><br>
> Monbiot is riffing off of Kate Raworth's Doughnut Economics concept (see<br>
> attached image), which is of course a fusion of many others' ideas before<br>
> her - she gave an excellent presentation on this at the Building a New<br>
> Economy Conference in Brisbane via Skype, but I don't think it is online<br>
> yet.<br>
><br>
> I'm not quite sure what to say in terms of frameworks, governance aspects<br>
> etc...also, words like 'household' and 'domestic' carry lots of baggage -<br>
> but I don't know how else to talk about it...'household commons economy'?<br>
><br>
> But initial things that spring to mind:<br>
><br>
> One thing I'd very much enjoy seeing covered in this research is 'emotional<br>
> labour' (cognitive load), along with physical labour undertaken in the<br>
> household. It's not always done by women, but a lot of it is, and though<br>
> some doubt it is even a thing (or dismiss it), it very much is, and there is<br>
> a cost involved for those doing it (see attached pdf). It absolutely will<br>
> emerge in any debate about household economics, and I can't stress enough<br>
> the ire this raises among most women I've talked to about it.<br>
><br>
> Other references:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/a12063822/emotional-labor-gender-equality" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/<wbr>features/a12063822/emotional-<wbr>labor-gender-equality</a><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/08/women-gender-roles-sexism-emotional-labor-feminism" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.theguardian.com/world/<wbr>2015/nov/08/women-gender-<wbr>roles-sexism-emotional-labor-<wbr>feminism</a><br>
><br>
> Specific 'commons' approaches related to household/care:<br>
><br>
> Please check out MamaBake <a href="http://mamabake.com/about/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mamabake.com/about/</a> - it was started by an<br>
> Australian woman called Michelle Shearer who was a Mum to young kids (and an<br>
> avid surfer). A friend dropped around one night with an entire tray of<br>
> lasagne, and she was so overjoyed that she could go surfing instead of<br>
> making dinner, that she thought about how she could make this happen for<br>
> others. So big batch baking (which could ALSO work for single professionals,<br>
> isolated older men) was born. Self organised local groups that do big batch<br>
> baking, after agreeing on ground rules re: dietary preferences,<br>
> restrictions, and go home with a few meals for the week, to give them the<br>
> night off.<br>
><br>
> Over and over I hear again that daily domestic necessities like cooking<br>
> meals are the biggest bone of contention, and its less the actual cooking<br>
> that deciding what to cook, and making sure all the stuff is there<br>
> (cognitive load).<br>
><br>
> Then there are things like Meal Trains, when people are sick or in need of<br>
> temporary care in their home: <a href="http://www.mealtrain.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.mealtrain.com</a><br>
><br>
> My big question is:<br>
><br>
>>then, they need to relate to each other, given us commons-market, commons<br>
>> to state, commons-households, etc..<br>
><br>
> How, what do we mean by 'need to relate to each other'?<br>
><br>
> There is a raging debate going on about whether to put a price on nature so<br>
> it shows up on the balance sheet, and if that is just falling into the trap<br>
> of a logic that needs changing; I suspect that the same question will arise<br>
> here, but if that's not the approach to take, then what is (being mindful<br>
> about some of the unresolved questions around UBI etc).<br>
><br>
> That's about all from me for now on this, but I am interested to stay in the<br>
> loop on this one :)<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Sharon<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 12 October 2017 at 17:08, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> the following was prompted by Jose Ramos, who was thinking about his new<br>
>> book on commons policy,<br>
>><br>
>> SO, WE NEED TO WORK ON SIGNIFICANT GAPS IN P2P THEORY, and in particular:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> after hearing a recent monbiot video where he mentioned 4 economic<br>
>> spheres, (market-state-commons-<wbr>households), rather than the 3 we are using<br>
>> at the p2p foundation (market-state-commons) ...<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I have started thinking that in our (at least mine) own work, I have<br>
>> really collapsed household and commons, because I on the one hand, I see the<br>
>> family as a commons and caring as commoning, but on the other hand, I have<br>
>> not seen any solution yet emerge, as how commons-based peer production can<br>
>> actually help the household economy,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> so basically, I am asking for help and ideas on how we could think this<br>
>> through,<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> here is a potential framework: I would suggest a potential scheme<br>
>><br>
>> take the 4 economic sectors: commons, state, market and households<br>
>><br>
>> each of these has internal governance aspects and specific characteristics<br>
>><br>
>> then, they need to relate to each other, given us commons-market, commons<br>
>> to state, commons-households, etc..<br>
>><br>
>> then, all of this needs a meta-framework<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> so far the work at the p2p foundation has been at the intersection of 1) a<br>
>> general framework for commons/state/market, and I believe we have done good<br>
>> work on this 2) work on commons-state (in value in the commons economy and<br>
>> other work) 3) state-commons: our work in ecaudor (focusing on social<br>
>> knowledge commons) and our work in ghent, focusing on institutional design<br>
>> for public-commons cooperation; I think we have done good work and advanced<br>
>> significantly in these 3 directions<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
>> <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
>><br>
>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>><br>
>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/<wbr>mbauwens</a><br>
>><br>
>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-<wbr>complete-list/</a><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a> </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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