<div dir="ltr">thanks Michael for this valuable perspective, which was also tackled in our latest publication on the thermodynamics of peer production,<div><br></div><div>I have launched a challenge to our community of discourse around the p2p-foundation but would welcome any input from the people here, as well, as I think this problem of reconfiguring a political economy that balances four crucial sectors and institutions, is of importance to us all:</div><div><br></div><div>BEGIN TEXT:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">the following was prompted by Jose Ramos, who was thinking about his new book on commons policy,</span><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">SO, WE NEED TO WORK ON SIGNIFICANT GAPS IN P2P THEORY, and in particular:</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><br></p><p style="margin:6px 0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">after hearing a recent monbiot video where he mentioned 4 economic spheres, (market-state-commons-<wbr>households), rather than the 3 we are using at the p2p foundation (market-state-commons) ...</p><p style="margin:6px 0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><br></p><p style="margin:6px 0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px">I have started thinking that in our (at least mine) own work, I have really collapsed household and commons, because I on the one hand, I see the family as a commons and caring as commoning, but on the other hand, I have not seen any solution yet e<span class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-text_exposed_show" style="display:inline;font-family:inherit">merge, as how commons-based peer production can actually help the household economy,</span></p><p style="margin:6px 0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><span class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-text_exposed_show" style="display:inline;font-family:inherit"><br></span></p><div class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-text_exposed_show" style="display:inline;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:14px"><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit">so basically, I am asking for help and ideas on how we could think this through,</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit"><br></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit"><span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)"> </span><span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-UFICommentBody" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit">here is a potential framework: I would suggest a potential scheme</span><br><br><span style="font-family:inherit">take the 4 economic sectors: commons, state, market and households</span><br><br><span style="font-family:inherit">each of these has internal governance aspects and specific characteristics</span><br><br><span style="font-family:inherit">then, they need to relate to each other, given us commons-market, commons to state, commons-households, etc..</span><br><br><span style="font-family:inherit">then, all of this needs a meta-framework</span></span></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit"><span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-UFICommentBody" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"><br></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 6px;font-family:inherit"><span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)">so far the work at the p2p foundation has been at the intersection of 1) a general framework for commons/state/market, and I believe we have done good work on this 2) work on commons-state (in value in the commons economy and other work) 3) state-commons: our work in ecaudor (focusing on social knowledge commons) and our work in ghent, focusing on institutional design for public-commons cooperation; I think we have done good work and advanced significantly in these 3 directions</span><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><span style="font-size:12px;background-color:rgb(246,247,249)"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"><span class="gmail-m_-4523993040394559711gmail-UFICommentBody" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"><br></span></span></span></span></span></font></span></p></div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="margin:2px 0px 0px"><div id="gmail-:mn" class="gmail-ajR" tabindex="0"><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="opacity: 0.3;"></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Michael Lewis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Lewiscccr@shaw.ca" target="_blank">Lewiscccr@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div dir="auto" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>An important and useful thread….</div><div><br></div><div>I pick up on Henry’s comments the language of growth and development  and then pose questions related to the suggestion by Pat and Stephen that the defining focus of Synergia being co-operative economics for Synergia </div><div><br></div><div>Immediately below is a comment that suggests Resilience over Growth as a key principle for guiding our setting of priorities.  I identify six others in The Next Systems Paper I wrote.  Henry, who has read the essay has probed each of my assertions, which I very thankful for.    (I am preparing when I have time a full response. Hopefully I will be able to share it soon.)   Here I only respond to Henry’s comments on Resilience Over Growth s</div><div><i><u><span lang="EN-US"><br></span></u></i></div><div><i><u><span lang="EN-US">Resilience over Growth </span></u><span lang="EN-US">  Your comment “do we not need
growth, for example, to fund better health provisions, to treat more people, to
provide better care for the elderly and frail, etc.)</span></i></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><i>This is such an important question
Henry.  It cannot be addressed without
broadening the contextual analysis, which I think I try to do in the Next
System paper.  Though the list is long, for
now I set out only two that drive me to question your premise of your question
regarding growth.</i></span></p><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst"><i><span lang="EN-US">1.<span style="font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">    
</span></span><span lang="EN-US">We are consuming equivalent to
almost 1.6 earths natural resources each year. 
(<a href="http://wwf.panda.org/about_our_earth/all_publications/lpr_2016/" target="_blank">http://wwf.panda.org/about_<wbr>our_earth/all_publications/<wbr>lpr_2016/</a>)
In short, our planetary bio-capacity is being ignored, at our collective peril.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle"><i><span lang="EN-US">2.<span style="font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">    
</span></span><span lang="EN-US">Empirical evidence of climate
breakdown is outstripping IPCC model predictions, the implication being that the
time frame for mitigation and adaptation measures is shortening. Moreover,
research seeking to determine the economic costs of climate breakdown suggest
current and future costs are huge.  Bloomberg reported on research suggesting that
climate breakdown impacts are already close to $1 billion per DAY in the U.S.
alone.<u></u><u></u></span></i></p><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><i><span lang="EN-US">3.<span style="font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:'Times New Roman'">     </span></span></i><span lang="EN-US"><i>Research focused on whether
energy and material resources can be uncoupled from growth, an assumption one
finds in most political and policy positions, is not supported by the evidence in this recently published peer reviewed paper <a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5065220/" target="_blank">https://www.ncbi.nlm.<wbr>nih.gov/pmc/articles/<wbr>PMC5065220/</a></i><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-US"><span class="m_-6352029859839452589Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">    </span>Some food for thought re: using the language of  growth and development </span></p><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-US"><span class="m_-6352029859839452589Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">   </span> First, given the overwhelming weight of mounting evidence, why would we deceive ourselves and others by employing ‘growth' to describe progressive goals of any kind?</span>   </p><div>  Second, I worry very much that within our cultural mindset development is virtually  synonymous with economic growth.   Resisting extractive practices</div><div>  within capitalism provoke predictably angry responses - why are you against the jobs <b>development </b>brings and the taxes development generates</div><div>  to pay for the services and supports  we need in society.  Embedded in our economic and cultural DNA is that growth is the priority and development is the means to achieve it.  </div><div>  While I agree with your interpretation of the word development being recast in ‘well-being’ terms I worry that it is so deeply embedded in capitalist culture it has lost its meaning.   </div><div><br></div><div>Language matters a lot. How we shape and advance discourse, strategies and projects is framed around by our language. This is perhaps especially so given our goals linked to shifting the paradigm and expanding economic and political solutions that are counter to key features of capitalisms predatory logic..</div><div><br></div><div>I advocate resilience as a much more generative word fit for our times: it is relevant ecologically, socially, economically and culturally. This is why in the book Pat and I wrote we systematically, across every sector and many cases, offered reflections on the extent to which this manifested resilience principles and how they advanced transition. </div><div><br></div><div>One advantage of Resilience is that its principles are derived from how  eco-systems function. The Stockholm Resilience Centre has done tremendously important work on socio-ecological systems that are </div><div>local, regional and global in scope. By definition resilience grapples with the threats to health, degradation and tipping points, on the one hand, and multi-scalar restorative strategies for strengthening social, ecological and economic resilience. ‘Growth’ and ‘development’ set within a Resilience framework take on a very different meaning.  Growth is by definition limited to planetary boundaries. What  priorities we set for ‘growth’ look very different, for example, investmentt focused a rapid expansion/growth of ecological restoration, land fertility, agro-ecological food production,infrastructure to radically reduce water consumption, especially in agriculture, smart grids that enable maximizing resilience and democratic decentralized ownership, radically expanded retrofitting for energy conservation, non-debt based money creation for direct investment in transition priorities, etc. etc  </div><div><br></div><div>Synergia, in my view, provides a major opportunity to position cooperative economic democracy as one strategic path for strengthening key aspects of socio-ecological resilience. Resilience thinking and related applications on the ground very much parallel our thinking around decentralized, distributed and democratic ownership, subsidiarity in the realm of governance, elevated emphasis on strengthening local/regional self-reliance etc.  </div><div><br></div><div>I think Stephen Yeo, or perhaps it was Pat, reminded us of the entomology of the word wealth is ‘well being’. This is the goal. Given the precarious circumstances people and planet are in I suggest resilience provides a principled, science based framework more relevant to guiding our discussions and action than ‘growth’ and  ‘development’ .  Cooperative Economic Democracy and Cooperative Economics are strategically important sub-sets, parts of the whole, which when combined with others have the potential to advance the ‘synergy’ required if we are to achieve the radically transformative changes we need. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Michael Lewis   </div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span lang="EN-US"><br></span></p><div><span lang="EN-US"> </span><br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This is the basis for my assertion that
resilience over growth is a key principle. 
Growth is only tenable intellectually if one disassociates the economy
from the realities of a finite planet having limits. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 10, 2017, at 2:55 AM, Stephen Yeo <<a href="mailto:stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-6352029859839452589Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p> I too think, with Pat, that: <br>
    </p><p>' we should position Synergia to become a course in Co-operative
      Economics and talk about this rather than new political economy'
      Quite apart from the content, Co-operative Economics is , maybe, a
      more attractive 'brand ' for current students ... and more
      immediately challenging to dominant producers distributors and
      exchangers of 'Economics' ?  <br>
    </p><p>This might come up at the forthcomin g conference in Manchester
      on the Co-operative University on Nov 9th ( details from Cilla
      Ross)<br>
    </p>
    solidarity from,<br>
    Stephen <br>
    <div class="m_-6352029859839452589moz-cite-prefix">On 09/10/2017 16:01, pat commonfutures
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <p>Hi Henry, Stephen, Michel, John, Mike, MIke and Tim</p><p>Great comments. Henry if you review JS Mill in his Principles
        of Political Economy, when he talks about a radical
        interpretation of the steady state (he uses the term stationary
        state, but the same thing and meaning), he shows how
        quantitative growth could stop and the shift would be on the
        focus then on sharing wealth, the development of the good life
        for everyone and human and cultural development. </p><p>Also as Stephen will know, Mill's full version of his
        Principles which is a huge book, has a vast section on the
        co-operative economy and how the then small but growing co-op
        movement in Great Britain and Ireland could evolve into the new
        economy. </p><p>Mill also talks about how the stationary state could look after
        nature and the environment and all written in about 1850. Mill's
        book was the most popular textbook on economics in the second
        half of the nineteenth century. Herman Daly takes his steady
        state economics from Mill. Also he produced an incomplete book
        on Socialism before he died.</p><p>Stephen, glad you agree with my observation that true
        Co-operative Economics has been repressed and not taught for
        since 1989. John I think we should position Synergia to become a
        course in Co-operative Economics and talk about this rather than
        new political economy (it really did mean capitalism
        historically because it is the nation state the determines the
        mode of production - today this is the hegemony of the
        Washington Consensus).</p><p>All underscores the need for Synergia more than ever in this
        age of Trump and Brexit.</p><p>In solidarity</p><p>Pat </p>
      <blockquote type="cite">On 08 October 2017 at 14:22 Stephen Yeo
        <a class="m_-6352029859839452589moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank"><stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop></a> wrote:<br>
        <br><p>A couple of thoughts: <br>
        </p><p>1) re <u>growth</u>. I always liked Raymond Williams's use
          of the word 'livelihood'.( Was it in  his <em>Towards 2000 </em>which
          was building on  Rudolf Bahro's <em>The Alternative in Easter
            Europe  </em>as well as on his own <em>The Long Revolution
            ?)</em> More, and more sustainable livelihoods. And maybe
          John Ruskin's <em>wealth </em>as opposed to <em>illth </em>might
          still help, folded into the notion of <em>commonwealth </em>as
          it is. And maybe the psychoanalytic  ( was it Winnicott?)
          usage of <em>enough  </em>as in <em>good enough </em>(
          parenting etc) might still help: as in developing an idea of 
          <em>growth enough?  / </em>wealth enough... <br>
        </p><p>2) And Pat is ( as ever ...)right, re the lack of education
          on specifically Co-operative economics.  I think this <u>was
          </u>taught at the Co-operative College at Stanford Hall, in
          the context of 'overseas development' ( and by my brother
          Peter Yeo) during the 1960s and 70s? And , half a century and
          more before that, we need to look at Plebs League and WEA  and
          University Extension economics classes. And then, later,  at
          Michael Barratt Brown and Royden Harrison's work with aduklt
          education/ industrial education/ Miners' education classes,
          leading into the foundation of 'the Northern Ruskin'  i.e. the
          Northern College. But but but... , that may have been a bit
          more Social Democratic/Left Labour in its orientation  than
          growing out of the Co-operative Movement.   A radically
          co-operative economics reaches back, as Pat suggests, to the
          Owenite ( dismissed as Utopian) tradition ( though in <em>Socialism
            Utopian and Scientific, </em>particularly in an 1892
          Introduction to the English edition, Engels was much less
          Engels-like about the 'utopians' than is often assumed) . 
          Last thought :I have long thought that J.A Hobson may need to
          come back into the picture, but I am not enough of an
          economist to know whether 'pre-Keynesian' 'liberal' etc is
          enough to demote him ! He was very much influenced by John
          Ruskin on 'work', 'labour '.  etc) <br>
        </p><p>anyway, <br>
        </p><p>solidarity from,</p><p>Stephen <br>
        </p>
        <br>
        <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2017 13:37,
          Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote type="cite">
          <div dir="ltr">I don't use growth myself, 
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>degrowth, though an objective necessity, is not the
              right political message</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>so we joined the post-growth alliance, but rather focus
              on a positive formulation,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>that formulation is that commons-based mutualization
              can drastically reduce the human footprint (hence
              degrowth) , but at the same time guarantees our capacity
              to create more wellbeing services (hence grow happiness)</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Francois Grosse has calculated that any growth of our
              matter/energy usage highter than 1%,makes the very idea of
              a circular economy moot,</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>see <a href="http://commonstransition.org/peer-peer-commons-matter-energy-thermodynamic-perspective/" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.<wbr>org/peer-peer-commons-matter-<wbr>energy-thermodynamic-<wbr>perspective/</a></div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>christian arnsperger's new book on a perma-circular
              economy is also vital in this regard</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Michel</div>
          </div>
          <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 8, 2017
              at 7:31 PM, Henry Tam <<a href="mailto:htam.global@talk21.com" target="_blank">htam.global@talk21.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote>
                <div>
                  <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-m_-5907869113418547414WordSection1"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Pat, Michel,</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">One thing I will
                      chip in – and it’s something I mentioned to
                      Michael recently – about is the notion of ‘growth’
                      itself.  ‘Growth’ encapsulated by more polluting
                      vehicles, more weapons manufactured and deployed,
                      more accidents and hence insurance claims, more
                      unhealthy food consumed, etc, etc, is neither good
                      nor sustainable.  And socio-economic structures
                      designed to promote such ‘growth’ ought to be
                      criticised, and the end of such ‘growth’ should be
                      celebrated.  But what about growth as
                      development?   For example, more and better care
                      provisions for the sick and frail elderly, more
                      leisure engagement in creative activities, better
                      and more widespread access of treatment and
                      medication, greater liberation from cold and dark
                      hours through sustainable use of renewable energy,
                      more projects to promote and protect biodiversity,
                      more cultural exchanges and sharing of experiences
                      across borders, etc.</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Having more of
                      something, & getting it in an efficient
                      manner, is not inherently undesirable.  It depends
                      on what it is.  The presentation of growth and
                      development as negative features that should be
                      eliminated gives the wrong impression, and leads
                      many who are not supporters of
                      commons/multi-stakeholder coops to shy away
                      unnecessarily out of concern that this is all
                      about putting on the brakes to stay put at a
                      static society.</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">I’m more inclined
                      towards ‘wise development’ than ‘no growth’.</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Henry</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                    <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong>Pat
                        Conaty <<a href="mailto:pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.c<wbr>oop</a>><br>
                        <strong>Reply-To: </strong>Pat Conaty <<a href="mailto:pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.c<wbr>oop</a>><br>
                        <strong>Date: </strong>Sunday, 8 October 2017
                        at 13:00<br>
                        <strong>To: </strong>Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br>
                        <strong>Cc: </strong>Holemans Dirk <a class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Dirk.Holemans@stad.gent" target="_blank"><Dirk.Holemans@stad.gent></a>,
                        Tim Crabtree <<a href="mailto:tim.crabtree@schumachercollege.org.uk" target="_blank">tim.crabtree@schumachercolleg<wbr>e.org.uk</a>>,
                        John Restakis <<a href="mailto:restakis1@gmail.com" target="_blank">restakis1@gmail.com</a>>,
                        Colm <<a href="mailto:colm@solidarityeconomy.coop" target="_blank">colm@solidarityeconomy.coop</a>>,
                        p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproje<wbr>ct.org</a>>,
                        David Bollier <<a href="mailto:david@bollier.org" target="_blank">david@bollier.org</a>>,
                        Stephen Yeo <<a href="mailto:stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">stephen.yeo@phonecoop.coop</a>>,
                        Michael Lewis <<a href="mailto:Lewiscccr@shaw.ca" target="_blank">Lewiscccr@shaw.ca</a>>,
                        TWC Group <<a href="mailto:htam.global@talk21.com" target="_blank">htam.global@talk21.com</a>>,
                        <<a href="mailto:mendell@alcor.concordia.ca" target="_blank">mendell@alcor.concordia.ca</a>>,
                        Stacco Troncoso <<a href="mailto:staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.<wbr>net</a>>,
                        Cilla Ross <<a href="mailto:Cilla@co-op.ac.uk" target="_blank">Cilla@co-op.ac.uk</a>>,
                        <<a href="mailto:kev.flanagan@gmail.com" target="_blank">kev.flanagan@gmail.com</a>>,
                        <<a href="mailto:mikeg@athabascau.ca" target="_blank">mikeg@athabascau.ca</a>><br>
                        <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: A globa-local
                        synthesis of a possible city-supported
                        public-commons partnership for climate- friendly
                        and ecologically balanced provisioning systems</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5">
                        <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                        </div><p>Hi Michel</p><p>A key question Michel, here is my attempt to
                          answer this. Others like Stephen Yeo may wish
                          to chip in that know the history. </p><p>Daly argues for a shift from growth economics
                          to steady-state economics. The latter implies
                          no capitalism. His argument is based on the
                          forecasts by Adam Smith, JS Mill and Keynes
                          that in future growth will decline when the
                          opportunities for it dry up. Marx called this
                          the accumulation crisis. From 1776 in the
                          Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith foresaw this
                          endpoint in about 250 years. Keynes foresaw
                          this in his Essay on the Future Economics of
                          Our Grandchildren as happening about 2025.
                          Mill did not give a date.</p><p>The issue for Daly was what system would
                          replace an economy without growth as other
                          economists have foreseen such a state as
                          leading to the abyss. Mill argued that with
                          worker ownership of the means of production
                          via worker co-ops and comprehensive land
                          reform, this steady state could be a positive
                          future for qualitative human development.</p><p>Mill argued though that the ownership
                          question was crucial to set the enabling
                          circumstances for this. Hence his argument for
                          land taxation to move property into common
                          ownership or public ownership. Henry George
                          takes his single tax idea directly from Mill.
                          But Mill also argued as another crucial reform
                          for worker ownership and he made the case that
                          consumer co-ops were not sufficient. The
                          reason for this Mill showed is that economic
                          democracy and in fact full democracy required
                          participative structures and educational
                          reform to secure this. Only then could
                          socialism be practical he felt. This was his
                          argument against other non-democratic forms of
                          socialism that he feared would lead to
                          authoritarian outcomes.</p><p>Polanyi is of this school of democratic
                          socialism and Daly is a strong supporter of
                          Polanyi in his books Beyond Growth and For the
                          Common Good.</p><p>There is a major problem with the history of
                          socialism. Socialism was the term coined by
                          the early Co-op movement in England from the
                          1820s. Robert Owen in particular called it
                          also social science. He used the terms almost
                          interchangeably. These socialists were also
                          for land reform, co-operative land solutions
                          and interest free money. Mill picked up his
                          ideas for a democratic socialism from this
                          original socialist movement. But Marx and
                          Engels argued for communism and derided the
                          early socialists as utopian and
                          non-scientific. Sadly Marx also misunderstood
                          money and the need for interest-free forms as
                          the Owenite socialists, the Proudhonian
                          socialists and other early co-op movements
                          like these in the US understood.</p><p>Polanyi followed all this and celebrates this
                          in the Great Transformation and so did the
                          Guild socialists who felt strongly about
                          economic democracy (RH Tawney, GDH Cole,
                          Bertrand Russell) and in the case of Clifford
                          Douglas (who was very involved with the early
                          guild socialist movement), monetary reform.
                          Frederick Soddy picked up ideas from Douglas
                          and Silvio Gesell in the 1920s and argued for
                          100% money free of interest and debt. </p><p>Daly's arguments follows closely Polanyi and
                          Soddy who he quotes and celebrates in Beyond
                          Growth.</p><p>But because Marx was muddled on the money
                          question and weak on the need for economic
                          democracy, Marxists are blind to the needs for
                          really taking land, people and money out of
                          the market as Polanyi showed the need for. A
                          pity this as like Polanyi Marx saw labour,
                          money and land enclosure so well and how they
                          had been made into false commodities.</p><p>I can recommend to you and others on this
                          list an outstanding text book that should be
                          core reading for Synergia students and the
                          entire commons movement. It is by Mark Lutz
                          and called Economics for the Common Good.</p><p>John uses the term political economy and the
                          need for a new political economy in relation
                          to the partner state. I understand the reason
                          why but I do think this is problematic
                          historically as key words are important to be
                          clear about. In the late 19th century,
                          political economy and capitalism were one and
                          the same thing.</p><p>While the resisters to industrial capitalism
                          coined the term socialism in the 1820s as the
                          humane alternative, until the 1870s,
                          capitalism was not a word really used. The
                          term for it was political economy and this is
                          why Marx wrote his Capital as a critique of
                          political economy. It was with the publication
                          of Capital that capitalism began to be used
                          more widely.</p><p>During the 19th century the movement against
                          capitalism was indeed known as social economy
                          and included the co-ops and the trade unions.
                          Sadly the EU definition of social economy by
                          Jacques Delor from the 1990s leaves out trade
                          unions and only talks about Co-ops, Mutuals,
                          Associations and Foundations (CMAF). </p><p>The Lutz book traces a continuous strand of
                          social economics from the late 18th century to
                          today (sometimes also called co-operative
                          economics) that is a radical strand of
                          socialist thinking that avoids the blindspots
                          of Marx. </p><p>Also in Daly's book. For the Common Good, he
                          talks about the work of Schumacher on
                          innovative thinking viz. an ownership form for
                          co-ops that could become intergenerational for
                          securing the common good. Schumacher saw the
                          solution as to ensure a structure of ownership
                          in co-ops that required a strong common
                          ownership foundation. This is very relevant to
                          your work and to developing Social Solidarity
                          Economy thinking. The Lutz book is vital
                          guidance here and for how we best frame
                          Synergia's pedagogy on these question and what
                          this idea of Eco-socialism would look like. It
                          would be a vitally needed synergia of social
                          economics and ecological economics.
                          Co-operative economics also ploughs in this
                          direction if you look at the adherents. </p><p>But there is no teaching of Co-op Economics
                          within the international Co-op movement,
                          though I think St. Mary's University in
                          Halifax has run a course like this prior to an
                          ICA meeting in Montreal not that long ago. I
                          just heard this this week.</p><p>Hope this is helpful.</p><p>Pat</p><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                    <blockquote>
                      <div>
                        <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On 08
                            October 2017 at 08:37 Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">I did
                              read several pieces from Daly  but it
                              seems to me he  is not challenging
                              capitalism per se,</p>
                            <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                            </div>
                            <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">anyone
                                read him differently ?</p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On Sat,
                                Oct 7, 2017 at 10:43 PM, pat
                                commonfutures <<a href="mailto:pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.c<wbr>oop</a>>
                                wrote:</p>
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                          </div>
                          <blockquote>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p>Hi Mike and Michel</p><p>Thanks Michel for the Commons
                                    Transition reports. Very good to see
                                    these. Your reply to Mike is also
                                    helpful.</p><p>Thanks also Mike for sharing the
                                    Stan Cox critique about renewable
                                    energy wishful thinking. I found the
                                    comments by David Schwartzman very
                                    persuasive about the Military
                                    Industrial Complex power elite and
                                    their focused role viz. fossil fuel
                                    geopolitics and nuclear energy. This
                                    is a very little discussed
                                    structural impediment. </p><p>Also this confirms the need for
                                    Greens to focus on eco-soclalist
                                    ways forward. As Streeck argues,
                                    Growth is bound in its hands and
                                    feet with the Accumulation demands
                                    of capitalism and the money machine.
                                    Steady-state economics based on
                                    thermodynamics as Herman Daly so
                                    well articulates this necessitates a
                                    post capitalism system. Schwartzman
                                    underscores this.</p><p>Pat</p>
                                </div>
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                                  <blockquote>
                                    <div>
                                      <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On
                                          05 October 2017 at 06:09
                                          Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                          wrote:</p>
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                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">dear
                                            Michael,</p>
                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">I
                                              will add some responses
                                              in-line</p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On
                                                Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at
                                                11:51 PM, Michael Lewis
                                                <<a href="mailto:Lewiscccr@shaw.ca" target="_blank">Lewiscccr@shaw.ca</a>>
                                                wrote:</p>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Pat
                                                    I really like the
                                                    memo you sent. But I
                                                    have several
                                                    questions.  (Michel
                                                    - I wrote this and
                                                    then see you have
                                                    replied to Pat) I
                                                    will think about and
                                                    perhaps comment
                                                    later.  I the
                                                    meantime here is my
                                                    response to Pat)</p>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">I
                                                      am a poor student
                                                      of history, but as
                                                      I have come to
                                                      understand Cole
                                                      his guild strategy
                                                      was rooted in the
                                                      work place,
                                                      although relevant
                                                      to other kinds of
                                                      association.  The
                                                      role of the state
                                                      was radially
                                                      reduced. What
                                                      emerged was a
                                                      decentralized,
                                                      democratic
                                                      approach to
                                                      provisioning,
                                                      where workers were
                                                      the central (but
                                                      not only) actors. 
                                                      Advise me here
                                                      what I am
                                                      missing. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">If
                                                      this is the case
                                                      there a large
                                                      difference in what
                                                      Michel is
                                                      proposing?  The
                                                      foundation of his
                                                      proposition is
                                                       public-commons
                                                      partnerships. Is
                                                      this not very
                                                      different?  Given
                                                      the radical
                                                      difference in
                                                      reference points -
                                                      Cole with workers
                                                      a the base and
                                                      this 21st idea
                                                      where globally
                                                      mediated knowledge
                                                      that enables
                                                      localize
                                                      production on an
                                                      open-mutualized-cooperative
                                                      basis; I wonder
                                                      where the context
                                                      renders some of
                                                      Cole’s
                                                      propositions less
                                                      relevant. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">in
                                                  my interpretation, the
                                                  commons are themselves
                                                  multi-stakeholders, so
                                                  this include the
                                                  workers and the user
                                                  communities ; you may
                                                  be familiar with the
                                                  idea of some that
                                                  today the workplace
                                                  has exploded and is no
                                                  longer confined to the
                                                  factory; but there is
                                                  an obvious linkage
                                                  between the commons
                                                  seen as the locus of
                                                  co-production, and
                                                  thus a sphere of
                                                  production including
                                                  workers, and
                                                  industrial and craft
                                                  workers as they used
                                                  to exist</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Second,
                                                      as I understand it
                                                      Michel, your
                                                      proposition is
                                                      critically
                                                      dependent of an
                                                      member cities to
                                                      be active at the
                                                      city and global
                                                      level, the latter
                                                      through
                                                      associations. In
                                                      short, cities are
                                                      organized into a
                                                      body the
                                                      coordinates and
                                                      governs the terms
                                                      under which
                                                      sourcing technical
                                                      solutions is build
                                                      and maintained on
                                                      an open source
                                                      base.  Question
                                                      here Michel is
                                                      whether access to
                                                      the knowledge
                                                      repository
                                                      requires cities to
                                                      be active members
                                                      of the global
                                                      mutual…??</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">the
                                                  code is open source,
                                                  and would be
                                                  accessible to
                                                  everybody, but the
                                                  right to
                                                  commercialization of
                                                  that code may be
                                                  subjected to some
                                                  reciprocity
                                                  limitatations, in my
                                                  opinion
                                                  (reciprocity-based
                                                  licensing) </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Third,
                                                       the territorial
                                                      platform
                                                      co-operatives
                                                      become critical
                                                      infrastructure for
                                                      production,
                                                      distribution and
                                                      governing. 
                                                      Michel…a question
                                                      about the platform
                                                      co-ops; are they
                                                      conceived of as
                                                      being
                                                      multi-stakeholder
                                                      and, if so, what
                                                      is the role of
                                                      local state
                                                      actors, if any?</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">yes,
                                                  they are conceived as
                                                  multi-stakeholder and
                                                  I'm open to
                                                  co-governance by local
                                                  public actors</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Lastly,
                                                       I am wondering
                                                      about the thinking
                                                      to date on whether
                                                      there will be
                                                      limits to what is
                                                      gathered into the
                                                      global digital
                                                      open source
                                                      repository?  Is
                                                      the focus on all
                                                      the critical
                                                      elements to aid
                                                      and accelerate
                                                      transition? Given
                                                      the absolute
                                                      urgencies emerging
                                                      from climate
                                                      breakdown, this
                                                      might make senses.
                                                      Or is it broader? 
                                                      I think these are
                                                      important
                                                      questions as they
                                                      will shape the
                                                      counters of the
                                                      politics that such
                                                      a proposition
                                                      would provoke.  
                                                      Even if it is
                                                      restricted to
                                                      urgent transition
                                                      related
                                                      production, I can
                                                      imagine that a
                                                      global
                                                      manufacturers of
                                                      say, public
                                                      transit vehicles,
                                                       and their
                                                      employees,  would
                                                      be none to pleased
                                                      with a strategy
                                                      that could has the
                                                      potential for
                                                      sidelining their
                                                      businesses and
                                                      jobs..   But, then
                                                      again,  I may not
                                                      be capturing the
                                                      fullness of the
                                                      vision. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">for
                                                  me, this would work
                                                  for all provisioning
                                                  systems, and is
                                                  connected to the
                                                  climate/ecological/resource
                                                  emergency of our time,
                                                  i.e. this proposal is
                                                  one of the crucial
                                                  ways to radicallly
                                                  reduce our material
                                                  footprint </p>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">One
                                                      interesting and
                                                      attractive feature
                                                      of what Michel is
                                                      proposing is the
                                                      bypassing of
                                                      national
                                                      governments. Given
                                                      the growing
                                                      network of cities
                                                      collaborating on
                                                      climate breakdown
                                                      and transition
                                                      strategies, and
                                                      for those
                                                      involved, their
                                                      leadership in
                                                      advancing more
                                                      progressive
                                                      transition
                                                      politics,  the
                                                      proposal being put
                                                      forward has a
                                                      strategic context
                                                      where it can be
                                                      tested. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">national
                                                  partner-state
                                                  governments could
                                                  decide at a later
                                                  stage to join and
                                                  support these global
                                                  depositories</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">by
                                                  the way, this was
                                                  written in the context
                                                  of urban transitions,
                                                  but I realize it could
                                                  be stronger in
                                                  stressing the role of
                                                  the cooperative sector
                                                  in supporting the
                                                  deployment of such
                                                  infrastructure</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Michel</p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5">
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Anyways,
                                                      a bit more grist
                                                      for the proverbial
                                                      mill. </p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Michael
                                                      L</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <blockquote>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5">
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On
                                                          Oct 4, 2017,
                                                          at 9:04 AM,
                                                          Michel Bauwens
                                                          <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          </div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5">
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Dear
                                                          Pat,</p>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">as
                                                          I was schooled
                                                          in marxism in
                                                          my youth, and
                                                          subsequently
                                                          abandoned it,
                                                          this means
                                                          that much of
                                                          the tradition
                                                          you speak of
                                                          is completely
                                                          unknown to me,
                                                          I had simply
                                                          no idea that
                                                          georgism and
                                                          guild
                                                          socialism even
                                                          existed and
                                                          where so big
                                                          back then ...
                                                          for me there
                                                          were
                                                          revolutionaries,
                                                          reformists and
                                                          anarchists
                                                          (and
                                                          stalinists
                                                          <g>) ...</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">when
                                                          I decided to
                                                          embark on p2p
                                                          work, I
                                                          decided to
                                                          make a clear
                                                          break with my
                                                          dogmatic past,
                                                          and start
                                                          constructing a
                                                          'low theory'
                                                          that would be
                                                          a more direct
                                                          expression of
                                                          what is
                                                          happening and
                                                          possible
                                                          today. Hence
                                                          in my wiki, I
                                                          only include
                                                          things that
                                                          exist (no
                                                          projects or
                                                          plans) and use
                                                          concepts that
                                                          are born from
                                                          the very
                                                          movement I am
                                                          observing.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">as
                                                          much as I
                                                          think it is
                                                          necessary, I
                                                          don't see it
                                                          as a very
                                                          realistic
                                                          possibility
                                                          for me to dig
                                                          into that
                                                          history, so I
                                                          am very much
                                                          counting on
                                                          you for this
                                                          historical
                                                          context and
                                                          genealogy!!</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">one
                                                          note, you will
                                                          have seen in
                                                          my approach a
                                                          combination of
                                                          the local and
                                                          the global,
                                                          bypassing the
                                                          nation-state
                                                          level.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">There
                                                          is both a
                                                          opportunistic
                                                          and strategic
                                                          reason for
                                                          this</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Opportunistic
                                                          as it appears
                                                          in a report on
                                                          urban
                                                          transitions, </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">but
                                                          strategic as I
                                                          see coalesced
                                                          cities (and
                                                          bioregions/territorities)
                                                          as a crucial
                                                          new part of
                                                          transnational
                                                          governance,
                                                          which can't be
                                                          a
                                                          inter-statist
                                                          world
                                                          government,
                                                          but must be
                                                          based on
                                                          global
                                                          public-commons
                                                          alliances</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">quid
                                                          with the
                                                          nation-state,</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">I
                                                          am not dissing
                                                          it, but I
                                                          think
                                                          nation-states
                                                          should now
                                                          support
                                                          transnational
                                                          commons
                                                          infrastructures</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">the
                                                          double
                                                          movement has
                                                          become
                                                          inoperative
                                                          because of the
trans-nationalization of capital; national revolutions carry great risks
                                                          and dangers
                                                          (syriza,
                                                          venezuela),
                                                          and
                                                          keynesianism
                                                          can only be a
                                                          small part of
                                                          the solution
                                                          in the context
                                                          of overshoot</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">so
                                                          what is a
                                                          progressive
                                                          majority in a
                                                          nation-state
                                                          to do, for
                                                          sure, let it
                                                          do green  new
                                                          deals at the
                                                          national
                                                          level, but
                                                          crucially, it
                                                          must also
                                                          understand
                                                          that change
                                                          today is not
                                                          going to come
                                                          from a frontal
                                                          assault
                                                          against a
                                                          stronger
                                                          enemy, but
                                                          from a global
                                                          coalition of
                                                          change efforts
                                                          everywhere,
                                                          which are the
                                                          only ones that
                                                          can overwhelm
                                                          the repressive
                                                          capacity of
                                                          the
                                                          transnational
                                                          empire</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div> <br class="m_-6352029859839452589webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">in
                                                          other words,
                                                          progressive
                                                          national
                                                          governments
                                                          must absolute
                                                          support the
                                                          kind of global
                                                          commoning
                                                          policies we
                                                          are proposing
                                                          and cannot
                                                          limit their
                                                          vision on
                                                          their own
                                                          citizens</p>
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                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Michel</p>
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                                                          Wed, Oct 4,
                                                          2017 at 10:21
                                                          PM, pat
                                                          commonfutures
                                                          <<a href="mailto:pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.coop" target="_blank">pat.commonfutures@phonecoop.c<wbr>oop</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p>Hi Michel</p><p>Some
                                                          feedback for
                                                          consideration.....</p><p>This is a
                                                          really good
                                                          summary and
                                                          illustration.
                                                          So much makes
                                                          complete sense
                                                          to me. Thanks
                                                          so much for
                                                          this
                                                          articulation.
                                                          I think it is
                                                          rich and very
                                                          helpful
                                                          indeed. When
                                                          will the
                                                          report be
                                                          coming out and
                                                          who are the
                                                          authors?</p><p>I have a
                                                          sense of deja
                                                          vu however? So
                                                          my comments
                                                          are about the
                                                          practical
                                                          articulation
                                                          and the
                                                          dynamics as
                                                          other forces
                                                          are in play. 
                                                          For the past
                                                          two hundred
                                                          plus years,
                                                          the tension
                                                          and indeed
                                                          struggle
                                                          between
                                                          authority at
                                                          the political
                                                          level and the
                                                          striving for
                                                          democratic
                                                          authority from
                                                          the grassroots
                                                          has been
                                                          continuous and
                                                          constant.
                                                          Polanyi's
                                                          Double
                                                          movement
                                                          therefore has
                                                          many dynamic
                                                          aspects to
                                                          consider. How
                                                          is it best to
                                                          do this to be
                                                          clear about
                                                          the
                                                          dialectical
                                                          complexity?</p><p>Stephen
                                                          Yeo, a very
                                                          close
                                                          colleague of
                                                          Robin Murray's
                                                          over decades,
                                                          is writing a
                                                          book on the
                                                          Three
                                                          Socialisms.
                                                          These are
                                                          Statism (from
                                                          social
                                                          democracy to
                                                          communism),
                                                          Collectivism
                                                          and
                                                          Associationism.
                                                          The last form
                                                          is the most
                                                          forms that are
participatively democratic and includes working class self-help
                                                          associations
                                                          for mutual aid
                                                          and including
                                                          of course
                                                          trade unions
                                                          that we should
                                                          try to include
                                                          in your
                                                          illustration
                                                          of the layers.</p><p>The ideas
                                                          you are
                                                          advancing are
                                                          a rekindling
                                                          of the debates
                                                          and thinking
                                                          from say 1900
                                                          right up to
                                                          1947 when the
                                                          Cold War
                                                          kicked off and
                                                          when Statism
                                                          thereafter
                                                          effectively
                                                          crushed and
                                                          suppressed
                                                          associative
                                                          democracy
                                                          thinking and
                                                          ideas.
                                                          Statists East
                                                          and West told
                                                          co-ops and
                                                          unions thank,
                                                          but no thanks.
                                                          We are taking
                                                          over to make
                                                          your bits and
                                                          pieces
                                                          integrated and
comprehensive. </p><p>But to
                                                          guide this
                                                          earlier
                                                          struggle by
                                                          commoners, In
                                                          1919 GDH Cole
                                                          produced his
                                                          book Guild
                                                          Socialism
                                                          Restated when
                                                          he set out a
                                                          very clear
                                                          blueprint with
                                                          a remarkable
                                                          coincidence
                                                          with what you,
                                                          David B,
                                                          Janelle Orsi
                                                          and others are
                                                          working up
                                                          here. </p><p>What is
                                                          very creative
                                                          about the Cole
                                                          proposals that
                                                          Bertrand
                                                          Russell fully
                                                          supported in
                                                          his book Roads
                                                          to Freedom a
                                                          century ago
                                                          was to
                                                          recognise
                                                          clearly that
                                                          political
                                                          socialism
                                                          (social
                                                          democracy
                                                          shall we say)
                                                          and
                                                          associative
                                                          socialism need
                                                          to be
                                                          established at
                                                          the
                                                          territorial
                                                          level and at
                                                          the national
                                                          level in a
                                                          system of
                                                          checks and
                                                          balances with
                                                          a clear and
                                                          agreed
                                                          division of
                                                          labour between
                                                          the politicos
                                                          and the
                                                          economic
                                                          democrats.</p><p>Essentially
                                                          the proposal
                                                          of Cole set
                                                          out a blue
                                                          print for how
                                                          economic
                                                          democracy
                                                          though a Guild
                                                          Congress at
                                                          local,
                                                          regional and
                                                          national
                                                          levels would
                                                          relate and
                                                          complement
                                                          Parliamentary
                                                          democracy. But
                                                          what was
                                                          wonderful
                                                          about the Cole
                                                          proposals is
                                                          that it
                                                          considered
                                                          co-operative
                                                          commonwealth
                                                          building in
                                                          all
                                                          industries,
                                                          services, arts
                                                          and sciences
                                                          and worked out
                                                          sector
                                                          solutions for
                                                          them. Plus
                                                          Cole also
                                                          proposed that
                                                          cities should
                                                          be based on
                                                          land held in
                                                          commons to
                                                          capture
                                                          economic rent
                                                          and to stop
                                                          speculation.
                                                          Thus he argued
                                                          for
                                                          co-operative
                                                          garden cities.</p><p>20 years
                                                          earlier in
                                                          Fields
                                                          Factories and
                                                          Workshops had
                                                          attempted a
                                                          very creative
                                                          blueprint as
                                                          well for
                                                          economic
                                                          democracy and
                                                          what in
                                                          practice this
                                                          would look
                                                          like.</p><p>Okay
                                                          Polanyi did
                                                          not arrive in
                                                          the UK until
                                                          about 1933 and
                                                          his way to
                                                          escape fascism
                                                          was paid for
                                                          by crowd
                                                          funding by
                                                          Guild
                                                          Socialist, but
                                                          given that in
                                                          Vienna in the
                                                          1920s Polanyi
                                                          was at the
                                                          forefront of
                                                          associative
                                                          democracy
                                                          solutions and
                                                          thinking, you
                                                          can see the
                                                          resonance.</p><p>Given that
                                                          democratic
                                                          socialism is
                                                          being
                                                          rekindled in
                                                          parts of
                                                          Europe (Spain,
                                                          Portugal, the
                                                          UK and
                                                          elsewhere), I
                                                          think it would
                                                          helpful to
                                                          connect the
                                                          sound thinking
                                                          from the 1920s
                                                          before the
                                                          lights began
                                                          being turned
                                                          out with what
                                                          you are
                                                          proposing.</p><p>I would
                                                          suggest we are
                                                          rediscovering
                                                          co-operative
                                                          commonwealth
                                                          thinking and
                                                          practice which
                                                          you are doing
                                                          such a
                                                          brilliant job
                                                          of updating to
                                                          the digital
                                                          age.</p><p>I hope this
                                                          helps. 
                                                          Drawing on the
                                                          best practices
                                                          from the past
                                                          will enable us
                                                          to
                                                          contextualise
                                                          the arguments
                                                          and link these
                                                          to this
                                                          vernacular
                                                          part of the
                                                          Double
                                                          Movement we
                                                          should not
                                                          overlook.</p><p>All the
                                                          best</p><p>Pat</p>
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                                                          <div class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-h5"><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">On
                                                          04 October
                                                          2017 at 06:35
                                                          Michel Bauwens
                                                          <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          is the very
                                                          last section
                                                          of our report
                                                          which will
                                                          come out soon
                                                          with the Boll
                                                          foundation:</p>
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                                                          <h2>3.6.
                                                          Towards a
                                                          global
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          for
                                                          commons-based
                                                          provisioning</h2><p>We have
                                                          argued in this
                                                          overview that
                                                          we are in a
                                                          conjuncture in
                                                          which
                                                          commons-based
                                                          mutualizing is
                                                          one of the
                                                          keys for
                                                          sustainability,
                                                          fairness and
                                                          global-local
                                                          well-being. In
                                                          this
                                                          conclusion, we
                                                          suggest a
                                                          global
                                                          infrastructure,
                                                          in which
                                                          cities can
                                                          play a crucial
                                                          role.</p><p>See the
                                                          graphic below
                                                          for the
                                                          stacked layer
                                                          that we
                                                          propose, which
                                                          is described
                                                          as follows:</p>
                                                          <ul type="disc">
                                                          <li>The first
                                                          layer is the
                                                          cosmo-local
                                                          institutional
                                                          layer. Imagine
                                                          global
                                                          for-benefit
                                                          associations
                                                          which support
                                                          the
                                                          provisioning
                                                          of
                                                          infrastructures
                                                          for urban and
                                                          territorial
                                                          commoning.
                                                          These are
                                                          structured as
                                                          global
                                                          public-commons
                                                          partnerships,
                                                          sustained by
                                                          leagues of
                                                          cities which
                                                          are
                                                          co-dependent
                                                          and
                                                          co-motivated
                                                          to support
                                                          these new
                                                          infrastructures
                                                          and overcome
                                                          the
                                                          fragmentation
                                                          of effort that
                                                          benefits the
                                                          most
                                                          extractive and
                                                          centralized
                                                          ‘netarchical’
                                                          firms.
                                                          Instead, these
infrastructural commons organizations co-support MuniRide, MuniBnB, and
                                                          other
                                                          applications
                                                          necessary to
                                                          commonify
                                                          urban
                                                          provisioning
                                                          systems. These
                                                          are the global
                                                          “protocol
                                                          cooperative”
                                                          governance
                                                          organizations.</li>
                                                          <li>The second
                                                          layer consists
                                                          of the actual
                                                          global
                                                          depositories
                                                          of the commons
                                                          applications
                                                          themselves, a
                                                          global
                                                          technical
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          for open
                                                          sourcing
                                                          provisioning
                                                          systems. They
                                                          consists of
                                                          what is
                                                          globally
                                                          common, but
                                                          allow
                                                          contextualized
                                                          local
                                                          adaptations,
                                                          which in turn
                                                          can serve as
                                                          innovations
                                                          and examples
                                                          for other
                                                          locales. These
                                                          are the actual
                                                          ‘protocol
                                                          cooperatives’,
                                                          in their
                                                          concrete
                                                          manifestation
                                                          as usable
                                                          infrastructure.</li>
                                                          <li>The third
                                                          layer are the
                                                          actual local
                                                          (urban,
                                                          territorial,
                                                          bioregional)
                                                          platform
                                                          cooperatives,
                                                          i.e. the local
                                                          commons-based
                                                          mechanisms
                                                          that deliver
                                                          access to
                                                          services and
                                                          exchange
                                                          platforms, for
                                                          the mutualized
                                                          used of these
                                                          provisioning
                                                          systems. This
                                                          is the layer
                                                          where the
                                                          Amsterdam
                                                          FairBnb and
                                                          the MuniRide
                                                          application of
                                                          the city of
                                                          Ghent,
                                                          organize the
                                                          services for
                                                          the local
                                                          population and
                                                          their
                                                          visitors. It
                                                          is where
                                                          houses and
                                                          cars are
                                                          effectively
                                                          shared.</li>
                                                          <li>The
                                                          potential
                                                          fourth layer
                                                          is the actual
production-based open cooperatives, where distributed manufacturing of
                                                          goods and
                                                          services
                                                          produces the
                                                          actual
                                                          material
                                                          services that
                                                          can be shared
                                                          and mutualized
                                                          on the
                                                          platform
                                                          cooperatives.</li>
                                                          </ul><p>...</p>
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                                                          8.png" width="666" height="469"></p><p><em>Figure
                                                          8:
                                                          City-supported
                                                          cosmo-local
                                                          production
                                                          infrastructure</em></p>
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                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Check
                                                          out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:
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                                                          <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Check
                                                          out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:
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                                                <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Check
                                                    out the Commons
                                                    Transition Plan here
                                                    at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org/" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </p>
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                                                </div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">P2P
                                                  Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                                  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  #82 on the (En)Rich
                                                  list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a></p>
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                                <div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">Check
                                    out the Commons Transition Plan here
                                    at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org/" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </p>
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                                </div><p class="m_-6352029859839452589ox-cbdce5f30f-MsoNormal">P2P
                                  Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a></p>
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                    <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
                      <a href="http://commonstransition.org/" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
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                    P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                    - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                    <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/<wbr>mbauwens</a><br>
                    <br>
                    #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-<wbr>complete-list/</a>
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</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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