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    What a fascinating discussion Michel and Anna, and exactly the kind
    of rant from Rajani that I presently feel is essential for our
    times. However I agree that his male/female dichotomy between
    aggression and nurturance is problematic. <br>
    <br>
    What do I know? Well I have found that around this topic, in which,
    as with capitalism, we are all complicit, there is a lot of value in
    moving towards a definition of love as 'seeking the flourishing of
    the other', i.e.  widening what might be expected of nurturance, and
    parallel, paying attention to the insidious prevalence of domination
    both interpersonally and culturally. <br>
    <br>
    Dominance may have archetypal roots in our place in the food chain
    but isn't it independent of gender? And, as it seems to me and the
    psychohistorians, as early years child care has become more shared
    and better resourced and better understood, new, less bully-ridden
    social and interpersonal form of relating may be emerging and along
    with it an intolerance of our archaic male dominated politics.
    Tricky times.<br>
    Denis<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25/07/2017 09:33, Michel Bauwens
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAK_2xi+44hQ6VXe3Wt94osbRig59YTa42j_oUZx9wZYo6WTM2A@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">thank you Anna,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>perhaps we can formulate it the following way</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>we both reject relations of domination and extraction
          towards people and nature,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>and the question is, if we want to remove them
          substantially, or totally, what the causes are ? obviously
          where we locate them is important</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>so if we look at the relations of domination over nature,
          then by and large, I don't think there is any question that
          indigenous en non-modern peoples lived dramatically lighter on
          the planet, and related to non-human nature in ways that
          reflected the recognized inter-dependence of humanity with the
          totality of beings and things</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>if we look at the relations with people, then it seems
          clear that human-gathering societies were vastly more
          egalitarian in nature, but, there was actually more violence
          with people 'outside' the community; however, there were also
          tribal societies that were very violent internally (think
          about the vikings). Once class-society set in however, then
          the violence became structural , institutional, structured as
          formal domination and extraction.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>And with capitalism, the relationship with nature became
          vastly extractive and destructive; the structural social
          relationships changed into new forms of exploitation, and vast
          social movements counter-balanced the domination and
          extraction.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So what does it mean in removing them. If we remove
          capitalism, we remove a vast amount of structural extraction,
          exploitation and violence; but if we revert or transform into
          other forms of class society, we will still have other forms
          of structural exploitation; If we remove 'class society'
          altogether, we'll have removed much more. What then remains is
          "culture". How can we avoid the cultural determinants of
          intersubjective violence ?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Obviously, we can learn a lot form indigenous practices,
          but re-instating the forms of violence practiced in those
          cultures is not something that would be useful.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>My view is that we are hybrid beings, that both genders and
          no/trans-genders are mixes, and that we need structures and
          cultures that bring the best out of us, and most importantly
          capacities to manage conflicts with no or minimal amounts of
          violence.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Both agression and non-agression are potentials in all of
          us, how we express is very largely determined by our
          societies.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>One approach I would find very promising is that of the
          prosocial movement of david sloan wilson for example, which
          looks at the traits of 'high-pro' individuals , and how to
          socially promote them, inspire 'mid-pro' individuals to
          emulate them, and to limit the expressions of low-pro
          behaviours.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>We don't need hierarchy to 'repress' the potential
          agression, but a supportive culture and social structure,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Anna
          Harris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">anna@shsh.co.uk</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">
              <div><span></span></div>
              <div>
                <div>Dear Michel,</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Rereading your emails, there seem to be two
                  conflicting themes. The evidence you quote about
                  decreasing levels of violence in our 'civilised'
                  societies, seems to indicate the need to restrain
                  natural male aggression, supporting Ranjani's point,
                  which I have questioned.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>In our 'civilised' society, in my view, all our
                  relationships have elements of 'power over',
                  reflecting the hierarchical and class divisions you
                  mention. We know that power over relationships
                  naturally engender aggression because they threaten
                  the autonomy and freedom of the individual, both the
                  one with power and the one subjugated, and thus
                  necessitate repressive measures to avoid conflict. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Entering post civilisation processes then, (as I
                  understand that term without I confess having read the
                  book) insofar as they develop a more egalitarian
                  society, can in my view, resolve the cause of
                  aggression and the need for repressive measures -
                  (here is the importance of quoting the example of
                  small band hunter gatherer societies as being more
                  egalitarian and less aggressive)</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>However, if men are aggressive by nature, those
                  repressive measures will still be needed, which
                  reinstates hierarchy, and we are back to square one.</div>
                <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>Anna</div>
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                  <div class="h5">
                    <div><br>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                      On 24 Jul 2017, at 15:45, Anna Harris <<a
                        href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">anna@shsh.co.uk</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>
                        <div>Dear Michel,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>We have had this discussion before, and you
                          have failed to convince me. My reading seems
                          to have taken me in the opposite direction,
                          coming across many who see prehistory, and
                          some still existing people, eg aborigines, as
                          a time when people lived harmoniously with
                          each other and environment. </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span
                            style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">'Australian
                            aboriginal people have lived in harmony with
                            the earth for perhaps as long as 100,000
                            years; in their words, since the First Day.
                            In this absorbing work, Lawlor explores the
                            essence of their culture as a source of and
                            guide to transforming our own world view.
                            While not romanticizing the past or
                            suggesting a return to the life of the
                            hunter/gatherer, <i>Voices of the First Day</i> enables
                            us to enter into the mentality of the oldest
                            continuous culture on earth and gain insight
                            into our own relationship with the earth and
                            to each other.</span></div>
                        <span
                          style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br>
                          This book offers an opportunity to suspend our
                          values, prejudices, and Eurocentrism and step
                          into the Dreaming to discover:<br>
                          <br>
                          • A people who rejected agriculture,
                          architecture, writing, clothing, and the
                          subjugation of animals<br>
                          <br>
                          • A lifestyle of hunting and gathering that
                          provided abundant food of unsurpassed
                          nutritional value <br>
                          <br>
                          • Initiatic and ritual practices that hold the
                          origins of all esoteric, yogic, magical, and
                          shamanistic traditions <br>
                          <br>
                          • A sexual and emotional life that afforded
                          diversity and fluidity as well as marital and
                          social stability <br>
                          <br>
                          • A people who valued kinship, community, and
                          the law of the Dreamtime as their greatest
                          "possessions." <br>
                          <br>
                          • Language whose richness of structure and
                          vocabulary reveals new worlds of perception
                          and comprehension. <br>
                          <br>
                          • A people balanced between the Dreaming and
                          the perceivable world, in harmony with all
                          species and living each day as the First Day.'</span>
                        <div><span
                            style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br>
                          </span></div>
                        <div><span
                            style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Anna<br>
                          </span>
                          <div><br>
                            On 24 Jul 2017, at 14:19, Michel Bauwens
                            <<a
                              href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div>
                              <div dir="ltr">dear Anna,
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>if you read anthropological
                                  accounts of Amazonian native tribes,
                                  such as in the books of Pierre Clastre
                                  (societies against the state), and
                                  others, then it seems that warfare was
                                  endemic, he even describes it as
                                  'their favourite passtime'; at the
                                  same time, it was more 'sporadic' ,
                                  since nomadic tribes can move and thus
                                  avoid protacted conflict. This is in
                                  'our times', so you could argue that
                                  it was different 'in the past'. The
                                  evidence does not support it. I had to
                                  revise my romantic notions that
                                  prehistory was less violent. That
                                  evidence was not yet available in the
                                  books I used to read in my youth.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Here is the study showing violence
                                  has percentually decreased since
                                  prehistoric times:</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>here is the key passage: "<span
                                    style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px">I have collected
                                    data on violent deaths; the long
                                    list of sources can be found below.
                                    These data show that in prehistoric
                                    times (archeological evidence) and
                                    in non-state societies (ethnographic
                                    evidence) the </span><span
style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:700;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px">levels of violence
                                    was much higher than in modern state
                                    societies and in the world today</span><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica
                                    Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px">."</span></div>
                                <div><span
                                    style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px"><br>
                                  </span></div>
                                <div><span
                                    style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Helvetica
Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:17px">from </span><font
                                    face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,
                                    Arial, sans-serif" color="#000000"><span
                                      style="font-size:17px"><a
href="https://ourworldindata.org/ethnographic-and-archaeological-evidence-on-violent-deaths/"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">https://ourworldindata.<wbr>org/ethnographic-and-<wbr>archaeological-evidence-on-<wbr>violent-deaths/</a></span></font></div>
                                <div><font face="Helvetica Neue,
                                    Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"
                                    color="#000000"><span
                                      style="font-size:17px"><br>
                                    </span></font></div>
                                <div><font face="Helvetica Neue,
                                    Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"
                                    color="#000000"><span
                                      style="font-size:17px">the study
                                      (of studies) summarized:</span></font></div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>"<span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,"\00ff2d\00ff33
\00ff30\0030b4\0030b7\0030c3\0030af","\00ff2d\00ff33
                                    \0030b4\0030b7\0030c3\0030af",Osaka,"MS
PGothic",sans-serif;font-size:14.495px">The proportion of human
                                    deaths phylogenetically predicted to
                                    be caused by interpersonal violence
                                    stood at 2%. This value was similar
                                    to the one phylogenetically inferred
                                    for the evolutionary ancestor of
                                    primates and apes, indicating that a
                                    certain level of lethal violence
                                    arises owing to our position within
                                    the phylogeny of mammals. It was
                                    also similar to the percentage seen
                                    in prehistoric bands and tribes,
                                    indicating that we were as lethally
                                    violent then as common mammalian
                                    evolutionary history would predict.
                                    However, the level of lethal
                                    violence has changed through human
                                    history and can be associated with
                                    changes in the socio-political
                                    organization of human populations.
                                    Our study provides a detailed
                                    phylogenetic and historical context
                                    against which to compare levels of
                                    lethal violence observed throughout
                                    our history."</span></div>
                                <div><span
style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,"\00ff2d\00ff33
\00ff30\0030b4\0030b7\0030c3\0030af","\00ff2d\00ff33
                                    \0030b4\0030b7\0030c3\0030af",Osaka,"MS
PGothic",sans-serif;font-size:14.495px"><br>
                                  </span></div>
                                <div><font face="arial, helvetica, MS
                                    Pゴシック, MS ゴシック, Osaka, MS PGothic,
                                    sans-serif" color="#333333"><span
                                      style="font-size:14.495px"><a
href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v538/n7624/full/nature19758.html"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.nature.com/nature/<wbr>journal/v538/n7624/full/<wbr>nature19758.html</a></span></font><br>
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                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 24,
                                  2017 at 8:03 PM, Anna Harris <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk"
                                      target="_blank"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true">anna@shsh.co.uk</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                        <div>
                                          <div>Thank you Michel.
                                            Actually I was just
                                            questioning whether
                                            aggression and violence are
                                            a <i><b>natural</b></i>
                                            tendency in males, which has
                                            to be supressed. As Rajani
                                            says:</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div><span
                                              style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">"They
                                              managed to restrain male
                                              destructive drives – which
                                              are the scourge of all
                                              living things -  within
                                              the prison of affective,
                                              kin relations to the
                                              extent  humanly possible:"</span></div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>And unlike you I do not
                                            see aggression and nurturing
                                            as polarities in each of us.
                                            The evidence of prehistory
                                            as I have been reading would
                                            seem to suggest that for
                                            many hundreds of thousands
                                            of years groups of small
                                            band hunter gatherers lived
                                            harmoniously without need
                                            for interfighting. </div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>See my article : <a
                                              href="http://sublimemagazine.com/healthy-birth-healthy-earth"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://sublimemagazine.com/h<wbr>ealthy-birth-healthy-earth</a></div>
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                                              color="#888888">
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                                              <div>Anna</div>
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                                                On 24 Jul 2017, at
                                                10:10, Michel Bauwens
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                                                    <div>Thanks for this
                                                      reaction Anna,</div>
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                                                    <div>I agree about
                                                      agression and
                                                      nurturing to be
                                                      polarities in each
                                                      of us, which may
                                                      then be culturally
                                                      re-inforced and
                                                      fixated in all
                                                      kinds of ways by
                                                      cultures and
                                                      societies,</div>
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                                                    <div>But patriarchy
                                                      predates EM by
                                                      thousands of
                                                      years, and
                                                      gendering predates
                                                      patriarchy by tens
                                                      of thousands if
                                                      not more. It is
                                                      easy to forget
                                                      that even in
                                                      tribal societies,
                                                      with very strong
                                                      nurturing, and
                                                      this could be true
                                                      even for
                                                      matriarchal
                                                      societies (who
                                                      engaged in hunt
                                                      and had to defend
                                                      themselves), that
                                                      male initiation
                                                      was especially
                                                      geared towards
                                                      de-sensitizing
                                                      males and
                                                      habituating them
                                                      to violence. A
                                                      meta-study last
                                                      year was pretty
                                                      unequivocal: the
                                                      amount of human to
                                                      human violence has
                                                      dramatically
                                                      decreased over
                                                      time.
                                                      Civilizational and
                                                      nation-state based
                                                      wars can have a
                                                      terrible cost, but
                                                      overall, the
                                                      percentages are
                                                      dramatically lower
                                                      than in most
                                                      tribal societies
                                                      (anthropologists
                                                      and others have
                                                      counted skeletons
                                                      and how they died,
                                                      i.e. percentage of
                                                      signs of violence
                                                      vs illnesses
                                                      etc..)</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Ironically,
                                                      though the balance
                                                      and positions
                                                      between males and
                                                      females have
                                                      varied over time,
                                                      I think only EM
                                                      derivatives have
                                                      allowed the
                                                      flexibility you
                                                      describe.</div>
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                                                    <div>The question
                                                      is: can this be
                                                      married with a
                                                      return to
                                                      nurturing ? To the
                                                      degree that we can
                                                      enter
                                                      post-civilisational
                                                      processes (see A.
                                                      Chandler for a
                                                      definition of
                                                      civilization that
                                                      is specifically
                                                      linked to class
                                                      based societies,
                                                      the need for
                                                      internal
                                                      repression, and
                                                      thus , the need to
                                                      de-sensitize and
                                                      make nurturing
                                                      more difficult),
                                                      we can develop
                                                      renewed nurturing
                                                      practices. I see a
                                                      lot of evidence of
                                                      this around me,
                                                      and more
                                                      specifically, in
                                                      EM derived
                                                      cultures, while
                                                      where I live hear
                                                      in East Asia,
                                                      maybe because of
                                                      earlier forms of
                                                      EM influences, the
                                                      evolution may go
                                                      in the other
                                                      direction (a lot
                                                      of east-asian
                                                      women in the
                                                      middle classes do
                                                      not want to
                                                      nourish their
                                                      children directly
                                                      because of
                                                      aesthetic reasons
                                                      for example, and
                                                      the men have to
                                                      work harder and
                                                      are less at home).
                                                      The movement for
                                                      labor, gender,
                                                      race and civic
                                                      rights, to the
                                                      degree they are
                                                      protests against
                                                      hierarchical and
                                                      class divisions,
                                                      are
                                                      post-civilisational
                                                      and create the
                                                      basis for renewed
                                                      emphasis on
                                                      nurturing. (see
                                                      how maternal and
                                                      paternal leave
                                                      allows parents to
                                                      spend more time
                                                      with their
                                                      children)</div>
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                                                    <div>Michel</div>
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                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Date:
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">From:
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Dear
                                                      Rajani,</span><br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px"> In
                                                      this long rant
                                                      there are nuggets
                                                      of truth which
                                                      shine, but I have
                                                      a quibble with one
                                                      particular
                                                      statement which is
                                                      fundamental to
                                                      your approach, -
                                                      that men are
                                                      naturally
                                                      aggressive and
                                                      violent.</span><br
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                                                    <br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">"I
                                                      also know that men
                                                      and women are
                                                      profoundly,  and
                                                      naturally,
                                                      dissimilar.</span><br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">By
                                                      instinct,  men are
                                                      aggressive and
                                                      violent, and 
                                                      women are
                                                      nurturing".</span><br
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                                                    <br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Our
                                                      definition of what
                                                      is masculine and
                                                      what is feminine
                                                      has been defined
                                                      for us by our
                                                      culture which, as
                                                      you have
                                                      demonstrated, has
                                                      been contaminated
                                                      with EM values.
                                                      These definitions
                                                      are being
                                                      questioned now by
                                                      people who don't
                                                      fit in to these
                                                      gender categories,
                                                      who are demanding
                                                      at an increasingly
                                                      younger age, to be
                                                      seen as non
                                                      binary. Those of
                                                      us who grew up
                                                      with these
                                                      definitions may be
                                                      becoming more
                                                      fully aware of our
                                                      own discomfort at
                                                      being thrust into
                                                      one or other of
                                                      these gender
                                                      categories.</span><br
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                                                    <br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Progressives
                                                      have got so far as
                                                      to allow that
                                                      masculine and
                                                      feminine energies
                                                      exist in both men
                                                      and women. But it
                                                      seems a bridge too
                                                      far to question
                                                      the very
                                                      definition of
                                                      masculine and
                                                      feminine as
                                                      culturally
                                                      dictated.</span><br
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                                                    <br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">While
                                                      this may seem
                                                      peripheral to your
                                                      whole thesis, I
                                                      view it as a
                                                      radical challenge
                                                      to the foundations
                                                      of patriarchal
                                                      culture which
                                                      rests on the
                                                      primary division
                                                      between male and
                                                      female.
                                                      (Unfortunately
                                                      this has currently
                                                      been taken over by
                                                      big pharma, since
                                                      it paves the way
                                                      for drug
                                                      dependency from an
                                                      early age, and has
                                                      actually created
                                                      more confusion
                                                      about having to
                                                      decide to be one
                                                      or the other.)</span><br
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                                                    <br
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                                                    <span
                                                      style="font-size:12.8px">Nevertheless
                                                      the basic
                                                      categories are
                                                      being questioned
                                                      and fatally
                                                      blurred, so that
                                                      being yourself is
                                                      what really
                                                      matters. This is a
                                                      really positive
                                                      step towards your
                                                      kin based
                                                      affective society,
                                                      where kin is seen
                                                      as including all
                                                      beings.</span><br
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