<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Gregory:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>by the way, I did a first processing of your article here, <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Consciousness_and_the_Post-Capitalist_Commons</a></div><div><br></div><div>and here are some remarks which I share with our mailing list</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">I wrote on fb:</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">"<span style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px">Dear </span><a class="gmail-profileLink" dir="ltr" target="_blank" href="https://www.facebook.com/gregwilpert?hc_location=ufi" style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);font-size:12px;color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none">Gregory Wilpert</a><span style="font-family:inherit;background-color:rgb(246,247,249);color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px">: I have 2 issues with your vision in the paper; the first is that you call cooperatives 'capitalist commons'; now that may be correct as saying that coops are the form that commons can take within capitalism, but they were clearly posed as an alternative to it, often antagonistic, even though some were transformed into collectively-competing entities within the capitalist market; still I find this term too much of a short hand</span></div><div id="gmail-comment_js_a23" class="gmail-UFIRow gmail-UFIComment gmail-_4oep gmail-UFIUnseenItem" style="background-color:rgb(246,247,249);margin:0px 12px;padding:4px 0px;word-wrap:break-word;border-left:0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px"><div class="gmail-_3b-9" style="font-family:inherit"><div style="font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-clearfix" style="zoom:1;font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-" style="font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-UFIImageBlockContent gmail-_42ef" style="overflow:hidden;margin:0px;padding-left:8px;font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-UFICommentContentBlock" style="padding-right:12px;font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-UFICommentContent" style="font-family:inherit"><span style="font-family:inherit"></span></div><div class="gmail-fsm gmail-fwn gmail-fcg gmail-UFICommentActions" style="clear:both;padding-top:2px;color:rgb(144,148,156);font-family:inherit"><span class="gmail-_6a gmail-_3-me" style="display:inline-block;font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-_khz" style="display:inline-block;font-family:inherit"><a class="gmail-UFILikeLink gmail-UFIReactionLink" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" tabindex="0" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;outline:none;word-wrap:normal;font-family:inherit">Like</a></div></span><span style="font-family:inherit"> · </span><a class="gmail-UFIReplyLink gmail-_460i" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:inherit">Reply</a><span style="font-family:inherit"> · </span><span style="font-family:inherit"><a class="gmail-uiLinkSubtle" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/permalink/1552859761424864/?comment_id=1552867904757383&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D" style="color:rgb(144,148,156);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:inherit">2 mins</a></span></div><span class="gmail-_36rj" style="font-family:inherit"><a class="gmail-UFICommentCloseButton gmail-_1-be gmail-_5upq gmail-_5upr gmail-_5upp gmail-_42ft" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2p.open/#" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;height:10px;width:10px;display:block;white-space:nowrap;background-color:transparent;border:0px none;overflow:hidden;padding:0px;vertical-align:middle;background-image:url("/rsrc.php/v3/yL/r/mEYzwVxEV1f.png");background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:97px 237px;background-position:-85px -135px;opacity:0;font-family:inherit;font-size:0px">Edit</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="gmail-comment_js_agp" class="gmail-UFIRow gmail-UFIComment gmail-_4oep gmail-UFIUnseenItem" style="background-color:rgb(246,247,249);margin:0px 12px;padding:4px 0px;word-wrap:break-word;border-left:0px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(29,33,41);font-size:12px"><div class="gmail-_3b-9" style="font-family:inherit"><div style="font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-clearfix" style="zoom:1;font-family:inherit"><div class="gmail-_ohe gmail-lfloat" style="float:left;font-family:inherit"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens?fref=ufi" class="gmail-img gmail-_8o gmail-_8s gmail-UFIImageBlockImage" tabindex="-1" style="color:rgb(54,88,153);text-decoration-line:none;display:block;margin:0px;font-family:inherit"><img alt="Michel Bauwens" class="gmail-img gmail-UFIActorImage gmail-_54ru gmail-img" src="https://scontent.fbkk7-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/p64x64/11006467_10155194956600548_2647079358770583964_n.jpg?oh=ff53ec34a4343d633ee0ecc84cd2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