<div dir="ltr">George I have a huge amount of work at the moment with college but do keep me in the loop and if can I will contribute.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 February 2017 at 16:07, Holy Mountain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kev.flanagan@gmail.com" target="_blank">kev.flanagan@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hello Michel,<br><br></div><div>We had a visiting lecturer Douglas Holmes a few weeks ago who wrote a book called Fast Capitalism which examined the rise of the far right in Europe throughout the 1990's he interviewed Le Pen for example. He said something along these lines, at least as I interpreted, that people tend to see the far right as something in the past something we have moved on from, but what is misunderstood is that the emergence of fascism was in some ways inseparable from the emergence of Liberalism and Socialism, it is part and parcel of modernity, the elements that fascists draw on and instrumentalise for their reactionary anti-democratic cause are everywhere part of the make up of the modern world. In a broad cultural sense we are still collectively working through, both unconsciously and consciously, the enlightenment and counter enlightenment. Listening to the lectures of liberal political philosopher Isaiah Berlin, he presents a strong argument in support of this. The struggle between the forces of the enlightenment and counter-enlightenment were incredibly productive, in the progressive sense in that it opened up great scope for debate and exploration of what it means to be human in the modern world, giving birth to so much art and the social sciences, but those same tendencies, the importance of culture vs nature also gives birth to the comparison of cultures, the ranking of cultures, the privileging of cultures, the sanctity of culture. We rush to the defence of those marginalised by the rough reductionist mechanics of 'western civilisation' but the claim of the extreme right is that the same respect be afforded to conserve the culture of the privileged or at least their mythic appropriation and re-construction of it. They claim western cultural and technological superiority is evolution at work an essential expression of their identity and that "nature" should be let off the leash. In this sense they are essentialist and vitalists and find common cause with the survival of the fittest, might is right logics of Libertarians/ancaps.They share the belief that authority is not rooted in the constructions the rational or man made which risks critical scrutiny, rather authority is located 'natural law' or in the mystical the mythical, beyond the reach of reason or man made law, here is the extreme rights obsession with new age spiritualism and the occult. The man and machine are subservient and must always work in the service of myth. Its a pretty dark view of human beings to say the least but it should be clear how they can appropriate and mobilise certain cultural tendencies that normally are considered benign. The transcendent Hero, the Superman, the Warrior for example.<br><br></div><div>Berlin's lectures do not look so much at contemporary fascism as much as the ideological roots in the counter-enlightenment, Vico, Harmann, Herder and then De Maistre who he particularly terms a proto fascist. In the 3 lectures on culture he follow Vico to Harmann. Then there are two other lectures one on Harmann and De Maistre. <br></div><div><br><a href="http://mediapub.it.ox.ac.uk/feeds/129062/audio.xml" target="_blank">http://mediapub.it.ox.ac.uk/<wbr>feeds/129062/audio.xml</a><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 10 February 2017 at 07:41, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Dear Kevin,<div><br></div><div>Thank you so much for this perspective, I wholly agree and I want to commend you especially for your efforts in knowing the dynamics of the opposite camp, as I would not have the time to do this. I urge you to keep on working on this track, and to become a real expert in this, god knows we need people like you willing to do this. We would also welcome your perspectives and writings on the p2p and CT blogs, and you will have seen george por's proposal for a political and policy oriented commons newsletter,</div><div><br></div><div>I want to make a little point of localism, and Occupy; obviously, at least for me, it doesn't work to critique them from the outside as many post-Marxists do, and seeing them as the enemy either. These are both great and massive social mobilisations, moving into a necessary but not sufficient direction. Localized initiatives are not bad, just insufficient, swarm based mobilizations are not bad, just insufficient. At the same time, for those who have a more integrative understanding and understand 'power' and 'institutions' cannot be ignored, it's cleary not enough, and it is important to also point that out.</div><div><br></div><div>One point here is that recently at the P2P Foundation I have been pointing at the need for our language to reflect this. So I have been introducing, in the context of our work on the cosmo-local DGML based forms of physical production, to stress, not localism, but the 'subsidiarity of material production' instead. I.e. we need a lot more local production, but always also in a trans-national framework.</div><div><br></div><div>If ever you had some energy to maintain a newsletter of the kind george and I are wishing for, that would cover political commons convergences like the ECA, the assembly of the commons that are emerging, the policy work being done in so many urban settings, </div><div><br></div><div>I would put a lot of my energy of assembling such info in a way that would be accessible to the editor of such a newsletter,</div><div><br></div><div>we really need this, but at p2p-f, we are overwhelmed with our existing to do lists,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><<<From: Holy Mountain <</span><a href="mailto:kev.flanagan@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">kev.flanagan@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">To: P2P Foundation mailing list <</span><a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproje<wbr>ct.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Cc: "</span><a href="mailto:staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.net" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.<wbr>net</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">"</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.net" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">staccotroncoso@p2pfoundation.<wbr>net</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">>, Ann Marie Utratel</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:amu444@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">amu444@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">>, George Pór <</span><a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">george.por@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Reflections on Trump, and the role of the commons</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> as an alternative</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Message-ID:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:CACpSwUdZqSw4ACPO1VXL1B7s3XO1aELUz09My4yeFuUc-zbn2A@mail.gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">CACpSwUdZqSw4ACPO1VXL1B7s3XO1<wbr>aELUz09My4yeFuUc-zbn2A@mail.gm<wbr>ail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><div><div class="m_1551677503935761208h5"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I completely agree Michel with your analysis of how the left have been</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">co-opted into supporting the neoliberal agenda. The other trend on the more</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">radical left over the last 30 years has been the rejection of parliamentary</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">politics in favour of localism. The risks of a puritan anti-state left</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">politics are that they have no organised opposition to challenge the</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">capture of the state by reactionary right wing forces. If the left is not</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">occupying those seat the right will.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Liberals have successfully co-opted aspects of the left into the</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">institutions of capitalism, with the collapse of the soviet union, the end</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">of history, the establishment left that includes academics without a</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">serious alternative assumed liberalism was a given and committed to working</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">for change from within a liberal framework.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">No one expected a resurgence of fascism. Spend any time researching this</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">and you quickly realise it is huge. It is important to think about the</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">young people who are being recruited to extreme right, what paths have lead</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">them to participate in these communities.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">The extreme right have not had the privilege of access to government,</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">academic institutions or mainstream media and so they waste no time trying</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">to get papers published or to lobby governments to support their policies,</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">no they are entirely focused on recruiting online not through reason but</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">through myth, tapping into young peoples anxieties and offering them</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">insurgent narratives, vision and mythology.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Where do young people go to learn about the world. Youtube. The extreme</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">right have made really effective use of this as a medium for recruitment.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Unlike academics, politicians so on who mostly talk to each other. The</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">right engage with these young people in 'debate'.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">The problem is also the narrative. Liberals and the left offer complex</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">narratives. Liberal politics has become a bureaucratic and there are</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">establishment gatekeepers. The extreme right offer simple narratives with</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">naive hero myths which appeal to young people who the right claim are</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">raised being taught left politics of victimhood and blame in universities.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">The promise of figures like Trump is that he does not care for checks and</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">balances, he is the image of the authoritarian who overcomes, the</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">complexities of politics, the cynical power plays of bureaucrats and</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">experts, he does this by sheer force of charismatic will, cheered on by his</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">followers who have simply lost patience with the status quo.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">This is the modus operandi of fascism.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">This has emboldened the far right, those who previously entertained these</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">ideas in private for fear of social censure are coming out and organising.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Berger is an expert on online extremism and has done significant work on</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">how Isis use social media to recruit and organise at scale. In this video</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">he explains how the far right are using the same tactics but do not face</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">the same kinds of limitations as Isis. He talks about the relative impact</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">of small groups on shaping public discourse. He is not at all convinced</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">that western governments have the capacity to effectively deal with this</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">turn.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">We are looking at highly organised fascist recruitment and propaganda</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">machine. It cannot be tolerated and must face full resistance that means</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">alliances of everyone committed to democratic process.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65YJmfRbbPw" rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=65YJmfRbbPw</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="https://cchs.gwu.edu/sites/cchs.gwu.edu/files/downloads/Nazis%20v.%20ISIS%20Final_0.pdf" rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">https://cchs.gwu.edu/sites/cch<wbr>s.gwu.edu/files/downloads/Nazi<wbr>s%20v.%20ISIS%20Final_0.pdf</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Part of that is offering real alternative political imaginaries, and making</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">those imaginaries available and accessible to young people is essential.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What would a popular alternative movement look like? One that moves beyond</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">the horizontalism of Occupy and aims effectively to get hands dirty, to</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">take power and put it to work for the kind of world we want to live in.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"></div></div></div><span>-- <br><div class="m_1551677503935761208m_2797924838594880980gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a> </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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