<div dir="ltr">Great to learn about the Ghent project Michel! I'm still keen to advance discussions on relocalized manufacturing opportunities in Australia with the recent closure of the auto sector here.<div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Darren</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 2:57 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>Wait wait! FEC is not part of «transition towns» or transition
      networks, this is just a very different (and older) beast, you
      know we are clearly opposed to ludist/malthusian degrowth
      ideology.<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="m_-3341482823349123806moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-28 11:47, Michel Bauwens
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">so this rejoins a bit my own feeling,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I feel it's best to proceed right away with the already
          global proto-phyles, i.e. Enspiral, Las Indias, Ethos,
          Sensorica (P2P Foundation as civic equivalent), who else,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>and in a second time, develop relations with the kind of
          intentional communities that David is suggesting,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:35 PM,
          Tiberius Brastaviceanu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.com" target="_blank">tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.<wbr>com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Hi all, <br>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Few years go I reached out to Transition Town type
                groups for collaboration with SENSORICA, introducing
                them to the <i>global commons local economy concept</i>,
                OVN, infrastructures for collaboration, open source
                hardware for agriculture... I got a lot of push back
                from them, mainly because they were not interested in
                technology and things beyond local. They were more into
                resilience, which means local resources, local means,
                local relationships. I found myself barking up the wrong
                tree and I shifted my attention to other communities.  </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Recently, some of them came back to knock on our
                doors again and manifested some interest to collaborate,
                but no concrete projects have been created between
                SENSORICA and these organizations yet. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>David, I do see some change in their mentality, but
                still nothing very concrete. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Is the time ripe for getting p2p groups together with
                local resilience groups? I can't tell, but I feel that
                there certainly some risk involved. I can propose a
                methodology though.  </div>
              <div>
                <ul>
                  <li>Make a list of p2p communities with a global
                    vision. <br>
                  </li>
                  <li>Ask them to identify resilience communities that
                    they are already interacting with, who already see
                    it and understand the value of global open networks,
                    their infrastructure, their production, ... </li>
                  <li>Contact only these resilience communities that are
                    already sitting at the table with global p2p
                    communities to invite them at the table. </li>
                </ul>
                <div><br>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 11:54 PM,
                Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div dir="ltr">and perhaps you could be writing
                    something on this David, for publication also on the
                    p2p blog ?</div>
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                    <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789h5">
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at
                          8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                              <p>Well Michel, that is precisely the
                                interesting thing that is changing:
                                egalitarian communities are not local
                                nor agricultural only any more, in fact
                                transnationalization and digitalization
                                with some global mutual mechanisms is on
                                the move:</p>
                              <p>The FEC has a mutual system since
                                before we met them by firsttime, but
                                they were rural productive communities
                                mainly and the few urban groups they had
                                were income sharing but not work sharing
                                and because of it not related with
                                productive p2p technologies. But... this
                                changed when they started to create new
                                urban communities two years  ago: with
                                the city came the digitalization and the
                                concerns of expanding the commons logic
                                towards new commons.</p>
                              <p>And if it wasnt interesting enough, the
                                progressive and simultaneous
                                urbanization of Kommunja network in
                                Germany gave place this last Summer to a
                                movement towards the FEC in order to
                                have more intense relations with the
                                horizon of economical cooperation.  <br>
                              </p>
                              <p>We are talking here of the first steps
                                of a transnational network with hundreds
                                of people in USA and Germany, with a
                                «sharing everything» economy, creating a
                                common mutual system and increasingly
                                arriving to the world of p2p production
                                and digital commons. I guess this is
                                pointing closer to the phyle as a
                                possible reality in the short term than
                                any other example I have heard of...<br>
                              </p>
                              <br>
                              <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698moz-cite-prefix">On
                                2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div dir="ltr">dear David,.
                                  <div>I would see a rather big
                                    difference between the locally-based
                                    intentional communities based on
                                    intense and local community-based
                                    collectivism, and the peer
                                    production phyles that are based on
                                    open contributions. They are both
                                    legitimate, but they are very
                                    different beasts. I wonder if it's a
                                    good idea to have them both at the
                                    same table from the very beginning.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>PErsonally, I don't think so,
                                    because their orientation and goals
                                    are so different. They predate the
                                    network age, and often have no
                                    intention to project systemic power
                                    at the global level, which is my aim
                                    in this gathering of proto-phyles,
                                    i.e. the gathering of transnational
                                    ethical entrepreneurial coalitions,
                                    based on commons and peer
                                    production.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Any encounter between them and
                                    localized intentional communities I
                                    would see as a eventual later step,</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>furthermore, my availability
                                    during the period march 15 to june
                                    15 will be severely constrained by
                                    the ambitious project in Ghent,</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Michel</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Michel</div>
                                </div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov
                                    25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte
                                    <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                        <p>So great!!</p>
                                        <p>I would invite to this
                                          proto-phyle meeting the
                                          egalitarian communities
                                          already in motion (the FEC in
                                          USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo
                                          Mai in the Alps) and some
                                          interesting small communities
                                          world wide (Kibutz Samar,
                                          Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir,
                                          etc.). There are interesting
                                          approaches between all of them
                                          and some of them, as The FEC,
                                          already have internal mutual
                                          systems between their
                                          communities.</p>
                                        <p>Do some of you want to lead
                                          such a meeting?</p>
                                        <p>If the answer is yes we will
                                          love to help, if it is no, I
                                          could ask my fellow indianos
                                          and look for a date during...
                                          ¿springtime?<br>
                                        </p>
                                        <p>Big hug!</p>
                                        <span class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                                            <p>David<br>
                                            </p>
                                          </font></span>
                                        <div>
                                          <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698h5">
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880moz-cite-prefix">On
                                              2016-11-25 10:51, Michel
                                              Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div dir="ltr">dear David
                                                and friends,
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>I will be working
                                                  next spring on a
                                                  commons transition
                                                  project for the city
                                                  of Ghent, (under
                                                  embargo, official
                                                  announcement on dec 2
                                                  only), </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>one of my first
                                                  priorities there, will
                                                  be the development of
                                                  city-based programs to
                                                  relocate production
                                                  and to create incomes,
                                                  work and employment
                                                  not just for the
                                                  precarious knowledge
                                                  workers but especially
                                                  for blue-collar
                                                  communities,</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>see here an article
                                                  more or less
                                                  expressing the same
                                                  thought:</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/answering-attraction-trump-ma<wbr>ssive-investment-relocalized-c<wbr>ommunity-production/2016/11/25</a><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Eventually, after
                                                  my relocation in
                                                  brussels in the fall,
                                                  to work 100 days a
                                                  year for the
                                                  fast-growing labour
                                                  mutual Smart (now a
                                                  european cooperative
                                                  structure with 75k
                                                  members and growing),
                                                  I also want to create
                                                  a Commons Transition
                                                  based think thank in
                                                  the heart of Europe,</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>I am still hoping
                                                  that the groups and
                                                  individuals addressed
                                                  in the earlier
                                                  request, would be
                                                  willing to organize
                                                  some inter-phyles
                                                  congress at some
                                                  point, and I'd be very
                                                  happy to help with
                                                  that,</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Michel</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at
                                                  1:34 AM, David de
                                                  Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                                                      <p>And coming back
                                                        to our
                                                        subject... what
                                                        do you propose
                                                        to do?<br>
                                                      </p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880h5">
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382moz-cite-prefix">On
                                                          2016-11-03
                                                          15:10, Michel
                                                          Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">but
                                                          actually, many
                                                          former members
                                                          say exactly
                                                          that, that the
                                                          Impact Hub is
                                                          extractive.
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          general
                                                          complaint is
                                                          that the
                                                          venture-based
                                                          ownership
                                                          model is
                                                          generating too
                                                          much pressure
                                                          on what should
                                                          be a
                                                          collaborative
                                                          and
                                                          participative
                                                          model ..</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Personally,
                                                          I have
                                                          witnessed the
                                                          forced smiles
                                                          of many of
                                                          hostesses
                                                          (often the
                                                          hubs are led
                                                          by female
                                                          members and
                                                          employees),
                                                          who are under
                                                          great pressure
                                                          to 'perform'
                                                          their
                                                          participative
                                                          duties (number
                                                          of events
                                                          organized,
                                                          number of new
                                                          clients
                                                          recruited, etc
                                                          ..); and heard
                                                          from
                                                          outsiders,
                                                          that an
                                                          enormous
                                                          amount of
                                                          skills are
                                                          required for
                                                          relatively low
                                                          pay,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I haven't
                                                          verified any
                                                          of this, but
                                                          this is based
                                                          on
                                                          testimonies,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Michel</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sun, Oct 23,
                                                          2016 at 6:35
                                                          PM, David de
                                                          Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I
                                                          did not mean
                                                          they were
                                                          extractive,
                                                          they are just
                                                          a network of
                                                          coworking
                                                          spaces, what I
                                                          pointed is the
                                                          difference of
                                                          this kind of
                                                          transnational
                                                          network and
                                                          phyles: having
                                                          a common
                                                          identity
                                                          alternative to
                                                          that of
                                                          nationalism
                                                          and taking
                                                          care of there
                                                          members in
                                                          case of
                                                          necessity.
                                                          Impacthub does
                                                          not provide
                                                          other identity
                                                          different to
                                                          the one that
                                                          provides you
                                                          to be client
                                                          of a nice
                                                          transnational
                                                          landlord nor
                                                          takes care of
                                                          you more than
                                                          any firm takes
                                                          care of a
                                                          client.
                                                          <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382HOEnZb">
                                                          <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382h5"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-10-23
                                                          13:29, Bob
                                                          Haugen wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          I'm not
                                                          familiar with
                                                          ImpactHub
                                                          (just looked
                                                          at their
                                                          website a bit,<br>
                                                          though). In
                                                          what way are
                                                          they
                                                          extractive?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sun, Oct
                                                          23, 2016 at
                                                          2:47 AM,
                                                          Michel Bauwens<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          10:13 PM,
                                                          David de
                                                          Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                                          but
                                                          essentiallly
                                                          for me a phyle
                                                          is a
                                                          trans-national
                                                          business
                                                          eco-system<br>
                                                          for a
                                                          community and
                                                          its commons<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I agree, but
                                                          could have
                                                          sense to be
                                                          more specific
                                                          in order to
                                                          separate it<br>
                                                          from pure
                                                          transnational
                                                          ecosystems as
                                                          ImpactHub
                                                          including
                                                          something
                                                          about<br>
                                                          identity or
                                                          responsability
                                                          on the welfare
                                                          of the
                                                          individual
                                                          partners? What<br>
                                                          do you think?<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Yes, I agree
                                                          that is a part
                                                          of the
                                                          definition, to
                                                          distinguish it
                                                          from the<br>
                                                          extractive
                                                          models, which
                                                          I think the
                                                          ImpactHub
                                                          actually is,
                                                          despite its<br>
                                                          original good
                                                          intentions ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          by the way,
                                                          all assistance
                                                          in mapping the
                                                          new global
                                                          nomadic
                                                          networks would<br>
                                                          be very
                                                          welcome:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructu<wbr>res</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          for me las
                                                          indias,
                                                          enspiral,
                                                          sensorica,
                                                          ethos VO go in
                                                          that direction
                                                          ...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Great!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Big hug<br>
                                                          David<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          7:11 PM, David
                                                          de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Great Michael!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So... it could
                                                          be interesting
                                                          to have a
                                                          common, and a
                                                          little bit<br>
                                                          detailed,
                                                          definition of
                                                          phyle
                                                          understanding
                                                          proto-phyle as
                                                          all the
                                                          nucleus<br>
                                                          going in that
                                                          direction.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Would you make
                                                          the honours?
                                                          :-D<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-10-18
                                                          14:03, Michel
                                                          Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          personally, I
                                                          am talking
                                                          about some
                                                          coordination
                                                          and
                                                          cooperation
                                                          between<br>
                                                          proto-phyles
                                                          ...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          coordinating
                                                          commons-based
                                                          production is
                                                          a different
                                                          topic, equally<br>
                                                          interesting
                                                          but this was
                                                          not the topic
                                                          of the
                                                          original
                                                          invite,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          of course,
                                                          phyles could
                                                          <also>
                                                          coordinate
                                                          their
                                                          production, if
                                                          they were<br>
                                                          more fully
                                                          developed etc
                                                          ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          6:58 PM, David
                                                          de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Ah! OK, this
                                                          is about
                                                          coordinating
                                                          commons based
                                                          projects, not
                                                          about<br>
                                                          phyle making.
                                                          So, the
                                                          question
                                                          should be then
                                                          how phyle
                                                          nucleus as
                                                          ours, can<br>
                                                          contribute to
                                                          these movement
                                                          towards
                                                          territorial
                                                          coordination
                                                          of commons<br>
                                                          based
                                                          projects, Am I
                                                          right?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          We agree with
                                                          that
                                                          idea/project
                                                          and we will
                                                          give our best
                                                          to it, no<br>
                                                          doubt. But,
                                                          please lets
                                                          use the word
                                                          phyle with its
                                                          meaning. From
                                                          its very<br>
                                                          origins the
                                                          phyle idea had
                                                          a very
                                                          concrete goal:
                                                          to create an
                                                          alternative to<br>
                                                          national
                                                          identity able
                                                          to complement
                                                          the fading
                                                          (¿collapsing?)
                                                          welfare state<br>
                                                          and take
                                                          responsibility
                                                          for its own
                                                          members
                                                          (social
                                                          security,
                                                          health,<br>
                                                          guarantee of
                                                          job and trade
                                                          inside, safety
                                                          and freedom of
                                                          movements,
                                                          etc.)<br>
                                                          what made
                                                          mandatory to
                                                          the few phyle
                                                          nucleus
                                                          existing then,
                                                          to have a<br>
                                                          presence and a
                                                          real autonomy
                                                          in the open
                                                          market while
                                                          constructing a<br>
                                                          money-free
                                                          economy in its
                                                          interior.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-10-18
                                                          12:58, David
                                                          de Ugarte
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Great thanks
                                                          to you both!!!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-10-18
                                                          12:57, Stacco
                                                          Troncoso
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Here's the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Association
                                                          text in our
                                                          blog, if you
                                                          don't like
                                                          PDFs<br>
                                                          ;)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          12:53 PM, Bob
                                                          Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          You all might
                                                          find the pdfs
                                                          below to be
                                                          relevant:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          ----------
                                                          Forwarded
                                                          message
                                                          ----------<br>
                                                          From:
                                                          Christian
                                                          Siefkes via
                                                          Commonsverbuende<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.common<wbr>s-institut.org</a>><br>
                                                          Date:
                                                          2016-10-18
                                                          5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
                                                          Subject: Re:
                                                          [commonsverbuende]
                                                          Commons
                                                          Associations
                                                          jetzt auch in<br>
                                                          Englisch<br>
                                                          To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Hallo Hannes
                                                          und alle,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 08/10/16
                                                          15:41,
                                                          Christian
                                                          Siefkes via
                                                          Commonsverbuende
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          OK, ich werde
                                                          PDFs erzeugen
                                                          und hochladen
                                                          und dann hier
                                                          nochmal<br>
                                                          Bescheid
                                                          sagen.<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          ich habe die
                                                          PDfs jetzt
                                                          erstellt und
                                                          bei Keimform
                                                          hochgeladen.
                                                          Sie sind<br>
                                                          vom<br>
                                                          deutsch- bzw.
englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter<br>
                                                          folgenden URLs
                                                          zu finden:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Deutsch:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund<wbr>.pdf</a><br>
                                                          Englisch:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-association.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/08/commons-associ<wbr>ation.pdf</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Herzliche
                                                          Grüße<br>
                                                                 
                                                           Christian<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          |--------- Dr.
                                                          Christian
                                                          Siefkes
                                                          --------- <a href="mailto:christian@siefkes.net" target="_blank">christian@siefkes.net</a><br>
                                                          ---------<br>
                                                          | Homepage:   <a href="http://www.siefkes.net/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.siefkes.net/</a> 
                                                           |   Blog:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.keimform.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.keimform.de/</a><br>
                                                          | Wie
                                                          Produktion zur
                                                          Nebensache
                                                          wurde:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que<wbr>llen-1/</a><br>
                                                          | Why
                                                          Production No
                                                          Longer Worries
                                                          Us:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour<wbr>ces-1/</a><br>
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                                                          --<br>
                                                          Was darf die
                                                          Satire?<br>
                                                               Alles.<br>
                                                                   --
                                                          Kurt Tucholsky<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          5:19 AM, Bob
                                                          Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Responses
                                                          inline.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          5:06 AM, David
                                                          de Ugarte<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Dear Bob,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          it is a really
                                                          interesting
                                                          theoretical
                                                          approach
                                                          but... I guess
                                                          we<br>
                                                          are still<br>
                                                          far from the
                                                          point when we
                                                          could attend
                                                          basic
                                                          consumption
                                                          demands.<br>
                                                          The real<br>
                                                          existing
                                                          fabric of p2p
                                                          production is
unproportionally based in<br>
                                                          services (as<br>
                                                          it is natural
                                                          because p2p
                                                          production was
                                                          born in the
                                                          digital<br>
                                                          economy).<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          I am aware
                                                          it's mostly
                                                          services now,
                                                          except for
                                                          food, which
                                                          could be<br>
                                                          a<br>
                                                          place to start
                                                          on material
                                                          goods, at
                                                          least in
                                                          regional
                                                          networks.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Software,
                                                          however, is
                                                          the heart of
                                                          p2p production
                                                          now, and that
                                                          is<br>
                                                          not<br>
                                                          coordinated
                                                          very well
                                                          between groups
                                                          or often not
                                                          even within
                                                          groups.<br>
                                                          The Mutual Aid
                                                          Networks, for
                                                          example, use
                                                          several apps
                                                          that do not<br>
                                                          talk to each
                                                          other. And
                                                          several Mutual
                                                          Aid Networks
                                                          are starting
                                                          up,<br>
                                                          that will
                                                          multiply the
                                                          same problem.
                                                          Same for Fair
                                                          Coop.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Designs for
                                                          material goods
                                                          is another
                                                          possibility.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Increasing
                                                          diversity of
                                                          production is
                                                          today a trend
                                                          and a goal,
                                                          but<br>
                                                          I guess<br>
                                                          diversity is
                                                          not still big
                                                          enough even
                                                          for supporting
                                                          a viable<br>
                                                          productive<br>
                                                          coin.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Because of it,
                                                          from the very
                                                          beggining we
                                                          envisioned
                                                          mutualism as<br>
                                                          the path<br>
                                                          of making
                                                          phyles grow
                                                          inside a wider
                                                          vision we call
                                                          post-laborism.<br>
                                                          Please<br>
                                                          have a look to
                                                          this post (you
                                                          will probably
                                                          have to use
                                                          google<br>
                                                          translate)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          Thanks, will
                                                          study.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          On 2016-10-16
                                                          11:56, Bob
                                                          Haugen wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Sorry,
                                                          cutnpaste
                                                          error. Should
                                                          have been
                                                          section
                                                          entitled "How
                                                          we<br>
                                                          can<br>
                                                          implement a
                                                          Mutual
                                                          Coordination
                                                          Economy based
                                                          on existing<br>
organizations".<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sun, Oct
                                                          16, 2016 at
                                                          3:04 AM, Bob
                                                          Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          then see from
                                                          there if it
                                                          makes sense to
                                                          have some
                                                          extra layer of<br>
                                                          alignment
                                                          between
                                                          'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          Could this be
                                                          it?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          See the
                                                          section
                                                          entitled<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
                                                          and my comment
                                                          below:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sat, Oct
                                                          15, 2016 at
                                                          9:22 PM,
                                                          Michel Bauwens<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          dear David,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have great
                                                          difficulties
                                                          lately to
                                                          monitor my
                                                          emails, 5755
                                                          to go<br>
                                                          <g>,<br>
                                                          and<br>
                                                          so I missed
                                                          this important
                                                          response, and
                                                          the ones
                                                          following
                                                          which<br>
                                                          I will<br>
                                                          process in a
                                                          moment.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The first
                                                          thing for me,
                                                          is perhaps
                                                          that we can
                                                          organize a
                                                          common<br>
                                                          skype<br>
                                                          with<br>
                                                          joshua vial /
                                                          Alanna Krause
                                                          for Enspiral,
                                                          Robert Pye for
                                                          Ethos,<br>
                                                          you and<br>
                                                          Natalia for
                                                          lasindias,
                                                          tibi from
                                                          Sensorica,
                                                          perhaps others
                                                          ? And<br>
                                                          then<br>
                                                          see<br>
                                                          from there if
                                                          it makes sense
                                                          to have some
                                                          extra layer of<br>
                                                          alignment<br>
                                                          between<br>
                                                          'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I copy
                                                          Ann-Marie for
                                                          the p2p
                                                          foundation,
                                                          for assistance
                                                          in<br>
                                                          coordinating<br>
                                                          any<br>
                                                          such meetup if
                                                          there is
                                                          agreement on
                                                          doing it.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Since the
                                                          previous email
                                                          in this thread
                                                          is an email
                                                          from our<br>
                                                          recently<br>
                                                          deceased P2P
                                                          colleague Jean
                                                          Lievens, I am
                                                          sharing a
                                                          special<br>
                                                          thought in<br>
                                                          his<br>
                                                          remembrance,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Mon, May
                                                          23, 2016 at
                                                          6:12 PM, David
                                                          de Ugarte<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          We completely
                                                          agree!!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It is a nodal
                                                          moment because
                                                          this
                                                          convergence, I
                                                          guess,
                                                          reflects<br>
                                                          a<br>
                                                          deepening
                                                          concern in
                                                          wide social
                                                          sectors. In
                                                          our case, we
                                                          are<br>
                                                          experiencing<br>
                                                          since
                                                          October's
                                                          Somero a
                                                          widening of 
                                                          our audience
                                                          and a closer<br>
                                                          relation<br>
                                                          with other
                                                          communities.
                                                          Last week, in
                                                          example, we
                                                          had by first<br>
                                                          time in<br>
                                                          many<br>
                                                          years, more
                                                          than 10.000
                                                          unique
                                                          visitors in
                                                          our blog in
                                                          only a<br>
                                                          day, and<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          Communard
                                                          Manifesto is
                                                          spreading a
                                                          lot faster
                                                          than we
                                                          thought:<br>
                                                          there<br>
                                                          are in<br>
                                                          example
                                                          volunteers -we
                                                          did not know
                                                          before-
                                                          translating it
                                                          in<br>
                                                          Switzerland<br>
                                                          and Portugal
                                                          to German and
                                                          Portuguese
                                                          languages.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, we are
                                                          sensing not
                                                          only the
                                                          appearance of
                                                          a «P2P
                                                          theoritical<br>
                                                          camp»,<br>
                                                          but the
                                                          emergence of a
                                                          «P2P audience»
                                                          probably
                                                          product of the<br>
                                                          disenchanted<br>
                                                          with the
                                                          political
                                                          hopes
                                                          hegemonic only
                                                          a year ago
                                                          between the<br>
                                                          majority<br>
                                                          of<br>
                                                          the activists
                                                          in countries
                                                          like Spain or
                                                          Greece.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, Michel,
                                                          what comes
                                                          now? How could
                                                          we contribute?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-05-21
                                                          22:06, Michel
                                                          Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          AN IMPORTANT
                                                          PIVOT MOMENT
                                                          TOWARDS A THE
                                                          EMERGENCE OF A<br>
                                                          COLLECTIVE<br>
                                                          ORGANIC<br>
                                                          INTELLECTUAL
                                                          FOR THE
                                                          COMMONS
                                                          MOVEMENT<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The above has
                                                          always been
                                                          the ambition
                                                          of the P2P
                                                          Foundation,<br>
                                                          and I<br>
                                                          believe this
                                                          is now
                                                          coalescing ..
                                                          some signs<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1) Las Indias
                                                          has
                                                          consolidated
                                                          all its
                                                          original
                                                          insights in
                                                          the<br>
                                                          just<br>
                                                          published
                                                          Communard
                                                          Manifesto
                                                          (Steve
                                                          Herrick: you
                                                          can perhaps<br>
                                                          let them<br>
                                                          know<br>
                                                          about this
                                                          posting here
                                                          as they are
                                                          not on fb)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          2) the last
                                                          video by
                                                          Dmytri
                                                          Kleiner, which
                                                          I posted here,
                                                          also<br>
                                                          shows a<br>
                                                          convergence
                                                          towards this
                                                          multi-modal
                                                          approach
                                                          (working for
                                                          the<br>
                                                          strengthening<br>
                                                          of the new
                                                          economy within
                                                          the existing
                                                          one) and has a
                                                          very<br>
                                                          precise<br>
                                                          strategy<br>
                                                          and many
                                                          innovative
                                                          concepts<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          3) the
                                                          critique by
                                                          Alanna Krause
                                                          on the
                                                          blockchain
                                                          which I<br>
                                                          posited,<br>
                                                          along<br>
                                                          with the
                                                          'transvestment'
                                                          practices,
                                                          show that both
                                                          the practice,<br>
                                                          and<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          theory, and
                                                          the
                                                          subjectivity
                                                          of Enspiral is
                                                          moving in the
                                                          same<br>
                                                          direction<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          4) as for
                                                          myself, I am
                                                          working on a
                                                          more
                                                          theoretical
                                                          book in<br>
                                                          which I'm<br>
                                                          aligning all
                                                          our pasts
                                                          insights
                                                          following the
                                                          overview of
                                                          Kojin<br>
                                                          Karatini ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I may be
                                                          forgetting
                                                          some other
                                                          elements, but
                                                          here we are,
                                                          there<br>
                                                          is<br>
                                                          effectively, a
                                                          collective
                                                          organic
                                                          intellectual
                                                          at work, which
                                                          is<br>
                                                          thinking<br>
                                                          through the
                                                          strategies to
                                                          be followed by
                                                          the forces of
                                                          the<br>
                                                          commons, in<br>
                                                          a way<br>
                                                          that may have
                                                          been there in
                                                          seed form, but
                                                          is about to
                                                          flower<br>
                                                          and ..<br>
                                                          THIS IS<br>
                                                          HUGELY
                                                          IMPORTANT<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am not
                                                          implying here
                                                          of course that
                                                          there are no
                                                          differences<br>
                                                          between<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          approaches of
                                                          these groups,
                                                          but that they
                                                          are moving
                                                          broadly in<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          same<br>
                                                          direction .<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At present,
                                                          there are not
                                                          any formal
                                                          bridges
                                                          between these<br>
                                                          groups, but<br>
                                                          there are
                                                          occasional
                                                          informal
                                                          contacts, and
                                                          the memes do
                                                          seem to<br>
                                                          travel<br>
                                                          ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          With Dmytri
                                                          Kleiner, we
                                                          are discussing
                                                          a
                                                          'Transvestment'<br>
                                                          conference in<br>
                                                          Berlin at the
                                                          end of this
                                                          year, no
                                                          funding yet,
                                                          this could be
                                                          an<br>
                                                          occasion<br>
                                                          for these
                                                          groups to
                                                          enter into
                                                          more coherent
                                                          dialogue,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          Check out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:<br>
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                                                          <br>
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                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
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                                                          --<br>
                                                          Check out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:<br>
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                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Strategic
                                                          direction
                                                          steward P2P
                                                          Foundation.
                                                          Director of
                                                          content<br>
                                                          <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                          Co-founder <a href="http://guerrillatranslation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">guerrillatranslation.org</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          Check out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:<br>
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                                                          <br>
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                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
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                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
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                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
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                                                          #82 on the
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                                                          <div>Check out
                                                          the Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:
                                                          <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          P2P
                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                          - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
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                                                          <br>
                                                          #82 on the
                                                          (En)Rich list:
                                                          <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
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                                              <div>Check out the Commons
                                                Transition Plan here at:
                                                <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                              - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                              <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                              <br>
                                              #82 on the (En)Rich list:
                                              <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
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                            -- <br>
                            <div class="m_-3341482823349123806m_-450715121262102789m_2295643096533495384gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
                              <div dir="ltr">
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                                    <div>Check out the Commons
                                      Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                    - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                    <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
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                                <div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu" target="_blank">t!b!</a> </div>
                                <div dir="ltr"><br>
                                  <div>co-founder of <a href="http://www.sensorica.co" target="_blank">SENSORICA</a>: <span style="font-size:12.8px">an <i><a href="http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">open </a></i></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><i><a href="http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">value network</a></i></span>
                                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">co-founder
                                        of </span><a href="http://aces-cake.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">CAKE</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">: </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">consulting
                                        for the new economy</span><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Part
                                        of <a href="http://blocksense.io/index.html" target="_blank">Blocksense</a>:
                                        blockchain and other p2p
                                        technologies</span></div>
                                    <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">founder
                                        of </span><a href="http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">Multitude
                                        Project</a>: informing the new
                                      multitude<br>
                                    </div>
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                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><a href="http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu" target="_blank">Profile</a></div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/tiberius.bras<wbr>taviceanu</a><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <a href="http://twitter.com/TiberiusB" target="_blank">@TiberiusB</a></div>
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                <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                <br>
                <br>
                Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
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                <br>
                #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-<wbr>complete-list/</a>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Darren Sharp<br>+61 419 314 655<br><a href="mailto:dasharp@gmail.com" target="_blank">dasharp@gmail.com</a><br><a href="http://www.twitter.com/dasharp" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/dasharp</a><div><a href="http://au.linkedin.com/in/dasharp/" target="_blank">http://au.linkedin.com/in/dasharp/</a><br>skype: sharpdarren</div></div></div>
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