<div dir="ltr">and perhaps you could be writing something on this David, for publication also on the p2p blog ?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>Well Michel, that is precisely the interesting thing that is
      changing: egalitarian communities are not local nor agricultural
      only any more, in fact transnationalization and digitalization
      with some global mutual mechanisms is on the move:</p>
    <p>The FEC has a mutual system since before we met them by
      firsttime, but they were rural productive communities mainly and
      the few urban groups they had were income sharing but not work
      sharing and because of it not related with productive p2p
      technologies. But... this changed when they started to create new
      urban communities two years  ago: with the city came the
      digitalization and the concerns of expanding the commons logic
      towards new commons.</p>
    <p>And if it wasnt interesting enough, the progressive and
      simultaneous urbanization of Kommunja network in Germany gave
      place this last Summer to a movement towards the FEC in order to
      have more intense relations with the horizon of economical
      cooperation.  <br>
    </p>
    <p>We are talking here of the first steps of a transnational network
      with hundreds of people in USA and Germany, with a «sharing
      everything» economy, creating a common mutual system and
      increasingly arriving to the world of p2p production and digital
      commons. I guess this is pointing closer to the phyle as a
      possible reality in the short term than any other example I have
      heard of...<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="m_-2592582460983727698moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-25 12:38, Michel Bauwens
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">dear David,.
        <div>I would see a rather big difference between the
          locally-based intentional communities based on intense and
          local community-based collectivism, and the peer production
          phyles that are based on open contributions. They are both
          legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if
          it's a good idea to have them both at the same table from the
          very beginning.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and
          goals are so different. They predate the network age, and
          often have no intention to project systemic power at the
          global level, which is my aim in this gathering of
          proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical
          entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer
          production.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Any encounter between them and localized intentional
          communities I would see as a eventual later step,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to
          june 15 will be severely constrained by the ambitious project
          in Ghent,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David
          de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
              <p>So great!!</p>
              <p>I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the
                egalitarian communities already in motion (the FEC in
                USA, Kommuja in Germany, Longo Mai in the Alps) and some
                interesting small communities world wide (Kibutz Samar,
                Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There are interesting
                approaches between all of them and some of them, as The
                FEC, already have internal mutual systems between their
                communities.</p>
              <p>Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?</p>
              <p>If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no,
                I could ask my fellow indianos and look for a date
                during... ¿springtime?<br>
              </p>
              <p>Big hug!</p>
              <span class="m_-2592582460983727698HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <p>David<br>
                  </p>
                </font></span>
              <div>
                <div class="m_-2592582460983727698h5"> <br>
                  <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880moz-cite-prefix">On
                    2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">dear David and friends,
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I will be working next spring on a commons
                        transition project for the city of Ghent, (under
                        embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>one of my first priorities there, will be the
                        development of city-based programs to relocate
                        production and to create incomes, work and
                        employment not just for the precarious knowledge
                        workers but especially for blue-collar
                        communities,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>see here an article more or less expressing
                        the same thought:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/answering-attraction-trump-<wbr>massive-investment-relocalized<wbr>-community-production/2016/11/<wbr>25</a><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Eventually, after my relocation in brussels
                        in the fall, to work 100 days a year for the
                        fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european
                        cooperative structure with 75k members and
                        growing), I also want to create a Commons
                        Transition based think thank in the heart of
                        Europe,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I am still hoping that the groups and
                        individuals addressed in the earlier request,
                        would be willing to organize some inter-phyles
                        congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to
                        help with that,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Michel</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at
                        1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
                            <p>And coming back to our subject... what do
                              you propose to do?<br>
                            </p>
                            <div>
                              <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880h5"> <br>
                                <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382moz-cite-prefix">On
                                  2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens
                                  wrote:<br>
                                </div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                  <div dir="ltr">but actually, many
                                    former members say exactly that,
                                    that the Impact Hub is extractive.
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>The general complaint is that
                                      the venture-based ownership model
                                      is generating too much pressure on
                                      what should be a collaborative and
                                      participative model ..</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Personally, I have witnessed
                                      the forced smiles of many of
                                      hostesses (often the hubs are led
                                      by female members and employees),
                                      who are under great pressure to
                                      'perform' their participative
                                      duties (number of events
                                      organized, number of new clients
                                      recruited, etc ..); and heard from
                                      outsiders, that an enormous amount
                                      of skills are required for
                                      relatively low pay,</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>I haven't verified any of this,
                                      but this is based on testimonies,</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Michel</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct
                                      23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David de
                                      Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I did
                                        not mean they were extractive,
                                        they are just a network of
                                        coworking spaces, what I pointed
                                        is the difference of this kind
                                        of transnational network and
                                        phyles: having a common identity
                                        alternative to that of
                                        nationalism and taking care of
                                        there members in case of
                                        necessity. Impacthub does not
                                        provide other identity different
                                        to the one that provides you to
                                        be client of a nice
                                        transnational landlord nor takes
                                        care of you more than any firm
                                        takes care of a client.
                                        <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382HOEnZb">
                                          <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382h5"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob
                                            Haugen wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              I'm not familiar with
                                              ImpactHub (just looked at
                                              their website a bit,<br>
                                              though). In what way are
                                              they extractive?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at
                                              2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens<br>
                                              <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <br>
                                                On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at
                                                10:13 PM, David de
                                                Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <br>
                                                  but essentiallly for
                                                  me a phyle is a
                                                  trans-national
                                                  business eco-system<br>
                                                  for a community and
                                                  its commons<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I agree, but could
                                                  have sense to be more
                                                  specific in order to
                                                  separate it<br>
                                                  from pure
                                                  transnational
                                                  ecosystems as
                                                  ImpactHub including
                                                  something about<br>
                                                  identity or
                                                  responsability on the
                                                  welfare of the
                                                  individual partners?
                                                  What<br>
                                                  do you think?<br>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <br>
                                                Yes, I agree that is a
                                                part of the definition,
                                                to distinguish it from
                                                the<br>
                                                extractive models, which
                                                I think the ImpactHub
                                                actually is, despite its<br>
                                                original good intentions
                                                ..<br>
                                                <br>
                                                by the way, all
                                                assistance in mapping
                                                the new global nomadic
                                                networks would<br>
                                                be very welcome:<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructu<wbr>res</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Michel<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  for me las indias,
                                                  enspiral, sensorica,
                                                  ethos VO go in that
                                                  direction ...<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Great!<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Big hug<br>
                                                  David<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  On Tue, Oct 18, 2016
                                                  at 7:11 PM, David de
                                                  Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    Great Michael!<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    So... it could be
                                                    interesting to have
                                                    a common, and a
                                                    little bit<br>
                                                    detailed, definition
                                                    of phyle
                                                    understanding
                                                    proto-phyle as all
                                                    the nucleus<br>
                                                    going in that
                                                    direction.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Would you make the
                                                    honours? :-D<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On 2016-10-18 14:03,
                                                    Michel Bauwens
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    personally, I am
                                                    talking about some
                                                    coordination and
                                                    cooperation between<br>
                                                    proto-phyles ...<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    coordinating
                                                    commons-based
                                                    production is a
                                                    different topic,
                                                    equally<br>
                                                    interesting but this
                                                    was not the topic of
                                                    the original invite,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    of course, phyles
                                                    could <also>
                                                    coordinate their
                                                    production, if they
                                                    were<br>
                                                    more fully developed
                                                    etc ..<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Michel<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On Tue, Oct 18, 2016
                                                    at 6:58 PM, David de
                                                    Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                      Ah! OK, this is
                                                      about coordinating
                                                      commons based
                                                      projects, not
                                                      about<br>
                                                      phyle making. So,
                                                      the question
                                                      should be then how
                                                      phyle nucleus as
                                                      ours, can<br>
                                                      contribute to
                                                      these movement
                                                      towards
                                                      territorial
                                                      coordination of
                                                      commons<br>
                                                      based projects, Am
                                                      I right?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      We agree with that
                                                      idea/project and
                                                      we will give our
                                                      best to it, no<br>
                                                      doubt. But, please
                                                      lets use the word
                                                      phyle with its
                                                      meaning. From its
                                                      very<br>
                                                      origins the phyle
                                                      idea had a very
                                                      concrete goal: to
                                                      create an
                                                      alternative to<br>
                                                      national identity
                                                      able to complement
                                                      the fading
                                                      (¿collapsing?)
                                                      welfare state<br>
                                                      and take
                                                      responsibility for
                                                      its own members
                                                      (social security,
                                                      health,<br>
                                                      guarantee of job
                                                      and trade inside,
                                                      safety and freedom
                                                      of movements,
                                                      etc.)<br>
                                                      what made
                                                      mandatory to the
                                                      few phyle nucleus
                                                      existing then, to
                                                      have a<br>
                                                      presence and a
                                                      real autonomy in
                                                      the open market
                                                      while constructing
                                                      a<br>
                                                      money-free economy
                                                      in its interior.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On 2016-10-18
                                                      12:58, David de
                                                      Ugarte wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Great thanks to
                                                      you both!!!<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On 2016-10-18
                                                      12:57, Stacco
                                                      Troncoso wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Here's the Commons
                                                      Association text
                                                      in our blog, if
                                                      you don't like
                                                      PDFs<br>
                                                      ;)<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On Tue, Oct 18,
                                                      2016 at 12:53 PM,
                                                      Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                        You all might
                                                        find the pdfs
                                                        below to be
                                                        relevant:<br>
                                                        <br>
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                                                        ----------<br>
                                                        From: Christian
                                                        Siefkes via
                                                        Commonsverbuende<br>
                                                        <<a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.common<wbr>s-institut.org</a>><br>
                                                        Date: 2016-10-18
                                                        5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
                                                        Subject: Re:
                                                        [commonsverbuende]
                                                        Commons
                                                        Associations
                                                        jetzt auch in<br>
                                                        Englisch<br>
                                                        To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Hallo Hannes und
                                                        alle,<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        On 08/10/16
                                                        15:41, Christian
                                                        Siefkes via
                                                        Commonsverbuende
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          OK, ich werde
                                                          PDFs erzeugen
                                                          und hochladen
                                                          und dann hier
                                                          nochmal<br>
                                                          Bescheid
                                                          sagen.<br>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                        ich habe die
                                                        PDfs jetzt
                                                        erstellt und bei
                                                        Keimform
                                                        hochgeladen. Sie
                                                        sind<br>
                                                        vom<br>
                                                        deutsch- bzw.
                                                        englischsprachigen
                                                        Artikel aus
                                                        verlinkt oder
                                                        direkt unter<br>
                                                        folgenden URLs
                                                        zu finden:<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Deutsch:<br>
                                                        <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund<wbr>.pdf</a><br>
                                                        Englisch:<br>
                                                        <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-association.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/08/commons-associ<wbr>ation.pdf</a><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Herzliche Grüße<br>
                                                               
                                                         Christian<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        --<br>
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                                                        Siefkes
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                                                        No Longer
                                                        Worries Us:<br>
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                                                        Satire?<br>
                                                             Alles.<br>
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                                                        Tucholsky<br>
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                                                        On Tue, Oct 18,
                                                        2016 at 5:19 AM,
                                                        Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Responses
                                                          inline.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Tue, Oct
                                                          18, 2016 at
                                                          5:06 AM, David
                                                          de Ugarte<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Dear Bob,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          it is a really
                                                          interesting
                                                          theoretical
                                                          approach
                                                          but... I guess
                                                          we<br>
                                                          are still<br>
                                                          far from the
                                                          point when we
                                                          could attend
                                                          basic
                                                          consumption
                                                          demands.<br>
                                                          The real<br>
                                                          existing
                                                          fabric of p2p
                                                          production is
unproportionally based in<br>
                                                          services (as<br>
                                                          it is natural
                                                          because p2p
                                                          production was
                                                          born in the
                                                          digital<br>
                                                          economy).<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          I am aware
                                                          it's mostly
                                                          services now,
                                                          except for
                                                          food, which
                                                          could be<br>
                                                          a<br>
                                                          place to start
                                                          on material
                                                          goods, at
                                                          least in
                                                          regional
                                                          networks.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Software,
                                                          however, is
                                                          the heart of
                                                          p2p production
                                                          now, and that
                                                          is<br>
                                                          not<br>
                                                          coordinated
                                                          very well
                                                          between groups
                                                          or often not
                                                          even within
                                                          groups.<br>
                                                          The Mutual Aid
                                                          Networks, for
                                                          example, use
                                                          several apps
                                                          that do not<br>
                                                          talk to each
                                                          other. And
                                                          several Mutual
                                                          Aid Networks
                                                          are starting
                                                          up,<br>
                                                          that will
                                                          multiply the
                                                          same problem.
                                                          Same for Fair
                                                          Coop.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Designs for
                                                          material goods
                                                          is another
                                                          possibility.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Increasing
                                                          diversity of
                                                          production is
                                                          today a trend
                                                          and a goal,
                                                          but<br>
                                                          I guess<br>
                                                          diversity is
                                                          not still big
                                                          enough even
                                                          for supporting
                                                          a viable<br>
                                                          productive<br>
                                                          coin.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Because of it,
                                                          from the very
                                                          beggining we
                                                          envisioned
                                                          mutualism as<br>
                                                          the path<br>
                                                          of making
                                                          phyles grow
                                                          inside a wider
                                                          vision we call
                                                          post-laborism.<br>
                                                          Please<br>
                                                          have a look to
                                                          this post (you
                                                          will probably
                                                          have to use
                                                          google<br>
                                                          translate)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          Thanks, will
                                                          study.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          On 2016-10-16
                                                          11:56, Bob
                                                          Haugen wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          Sorry,
                                                          cutnpaste
                                                          error. Should
                                                          have been
                                                          section
                                                          entitled "How
                                                          we<br>
                                                          can<br>
                                                          implement a
                                                          Mutual
                                                          Coordination
                                                          Economy based
                                                          on existing<br>
organizations".<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sun, Oct
                                                          16, 2016 at
                                                          3:04 AM, Bob
                                                          Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          then see from
                                                          there if it
                                                          makes sense to
                                                          have some
                                                          extra layer of<br>
                                                          alignment
                                                          between
                                                          'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          Could this be
                                                          it?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          See the
                                                          section
                                                          entitled<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
                                                          and my comment
                                                          below:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Sat, Oct
                                                          15, 2016 at
                                                          9:22 PM,
                                                          Michel Bauwens<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          dear David,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I have great
                                                          difficulties
                                                          lately to
                                                          monitor my
                                                          emails, 5755
                                                          to go<br>
                                                          <g>,<br>
                                                          and<br>
                                                          so I missed
                                                          this important
                                                          response, and
                                                          the ones
                                                          following
                                                          which<br>
                                                          I will<br>
                                                          process in a
                                                          moment.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The first
                                                          thing for me,
                                                          is perhaps
                                                          that we can
                                                          organize a
                                                          common<br>
                                                          skype<br>
                                                          with<br>
                                                          joshua vial /
                                                          Alanna Krause
                                                          for Enspiral,
                                                          Robert Pye for
                                                          Ethos,<br>
                                                          you and<br>
                                                          Natalia for
                                                          lasindias,
                                                          tibi from
                                                          Sensorica,
                                                          perhaps others
                                                          ? And<br>
                                                          then<br>
                                                          see<br>
                                                          from there if
                                                          it makes sense
                                                          to have some
                                                          extra layer of<br>
                                                          alignment<br>
                                                          between<br>
                                                          'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I copy
                                                          Ann-Marie for
                                                          the p2p
                                                          foundation,
                                                          for assistance
                                                          in<br>
                                                          coordinating<br>
                                                          any<br>
                                                          such meetup if
                                                          there is
                                                          agreement on
                                                          doing it.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Since the
                                                          previous email
                                                          in this thread
                                                          is an email
                                                          from our<br>
                                                          recently<br>
                                                          deceased P2P
                                                          colleague Jean
                                                          Lievens, I am
                                                          sharing a
                                                          special<br>
                                                          thought in<br>
                                                          his<br>
                                                          remembrance,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On Mon, May
                                                          23, 2016 at
                                                          6:12 PM, David
                                                          de Ugarte<br>
                                                          <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          We completely
                                                          agree!!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          It is a nodal
                                                          moment because
                                                          this
                                                          convergence, I
                                                          guess,
                                                          reflects<br>
                                                          a<br>
                                                          deepening
                                                          concern in
                                                          wide social
                                                          sectors. In
                                                          our case, we
                                                          are<br>
                                                          experiencing<br>
                                                          since
                                                          October's
                                                          Somero a
                                                          widening of 
                                                          our audience
                                                          and a closer<br>
                                                          relation<br>
                                                          with other
                                                          communities.
                                                          Last week, in
                                                          example, we
                                                          had by first<br>
                                                          time in<br>
                                                          many<br>
                                                          years, more
                                                          than 10.000
                                                          unique
                                                          visitors in
                                                          our blog in
                                                          only a<br>
                                                          day, and<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          Communard
                                                          Manifesto is
                                                          spreading a
                                                          lot faster
                                                          than we
                                                          thought:<br>
                                                          there<br>
                                                          are in<br>
                                                          example
                                                          volunteers -we
                                                          did not know
                                                          before-
                                                          translating it
                                                          in<br>
                                                          Switzerland<br>
                                                          and Portugal
                                                          to German and
                                                          Portuguese
                                                          languages.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, we are
                                                          sensing not
                                                          only the
                                                          appearance of
                                                          a «P2P
                                                          theoritical<br>
                                                          camp»,<br>
                                                          but the
                                                          emergence of a
                                                          «P2P audience»
                                                          probably
                                                          product of the<br>
                                                          disenchanted<br>
                                                          with the
                                                          political
                                                          hopes
                                                          hegemonic only
                                                          a year ago
                                                          between the<br>
                                                          majority<br>
                                                          of<br>
                                                          the activists
                                                          in countries
                                                          like Spain or
                                                          Greece.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          So, Michel,
                                                          what comes
                                                          now? How could
                                                          we contribute?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 2016-05-21
                                                          22:06, Michel
                                                          Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          AN IMPORTANT
                                                          PIVOT MOMENT
                                                          TOWARDS A THE
                                                          EMERGENCE OF A<br>
                                                          COLLECTIVE<br>
                                                          ORGANIC<br>
                                                          INTELLECTUAL
                                                          FOR THE
                                                          COMMONS
                                                          MOVEMENT<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The above has
                                                          always been
                                                          the ambition
                                                          of the P2P
                                                          Foundation,<br>
                                                          and I<br>
                                                          believe this
                                                          is now
                                                          coalescing ..
                                                          some signs<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          1) Las Indias
                                                          has
                                                          consolidated
                                                          all its
                                                          original
                                                          insights in
                                                          the<br>
                                                          just<br>
                                                          published
                                                          Communard
                                                          Manifesto
                                                          (Steve
                                                          Herrick: you
                                                          can perhaps<br>
                                                          let them<br>
                                                          know<br>
                                                          about this
                                                          posting here
                                                          as they are
                                                          not on fb)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          2) the last
                                                          video by
                                                          Dmytri
                                                          Kleiner, which
                                                          I posted here,
                                                          also<br>
                                                          shows a<br>
                                                          convergence
                                                          towards this
                                                          multi-modal
                                                          approach
                                                          (working for
                                                          the<br>
                                                          strengthening<br>
                                                          of the new
                                                          economy within
                                                          the existing
                                                          one) and has a
                                                          very<br>
                                                          precise<br>
                                                          strategy<br>
                                                          and many
                                                          innovative
                                                          concepts<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          3) the
                                                          critique by
                                                          Alanna Krause
                                                          on the
                                                          blockchain
                                                          which I<br>
                                                          posited,<br>
                                                          along<br>
                                                          with the
                                                          'transvestment'
                                                          practices,
                                                          show that both
                                                          the practice,<br>
                                                          and<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          theory, and
                                                          the
                                                          subjectivity
                                                          of Enspiral is
                                                          moving in the
                                                          same<br>
                                                          direction<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          4) as for
                                                          myself, I am
                                                          working on a
                                                          more
                                                          theoretical
                                                          book in<br>
                                                          which I'm<br>
                                                          aligning all
                                                          our pasts
                                                          insights
                                                          following the
                                                          overview of
                                                          Kojin<br>
                                                          Karatini ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I may be
                                                          forgetting
                                                          some other
                                                          elements, but
                                                          here we are,
                                                          there<br>
                                                          is<br>
                                                          effectively, a
                                                          collective
                                                          organic
                                                          intellectual
                                                          at work, which
                                                          is<br>
                                                          thinking<br>
                                                          through the
                                                          strategies to
                                                          be followed by
                                                          the forces of
                                                          the<br>
                                                          commons, in<br>
                                                          a way<br>
                                                          that may have
                                                          been there in
                                                          seed form, but
                                                          is about to
                                                          flower<br>
                                                          and ..<br>
                                                          THIS IS<br>
                                                          HUGELY
                                                          IMPORTANT<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am not
                                                          implying here
                                                          of course that
                                                          there are no
                                                          differences<br>
                                                          between<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          approaches of
                                                          these groups,
                                                          but that they
                                                          are moving
                                                          broadly in<br>
                                                          the<br>
                                                          same<br>
                                                          direction .<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          At present,
                                                          there are not
                                                          any formal
                                                          bridges
                                                          between these<br>
                                                          groups, but<br>
                                                          there are
                                                          occasional
                                                          informal
                                                          contacts, and
                                                          the memes do
                                                          seem to<br>
                                                          travel<br>
                                                          ..<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          With Dmytri
                                                          Kleiner, we
                                                          are discussing
                                                          a
                                                          'Transvestment'<br>
                                                          conference in<br>
                                                          Berlin at the
                                                          end of this
                                                          year, no
                                                          funding yet,
                                                          this could be
                                                          an<br>
                                                          occasion<br>
                                                          for these
                                                          groups to
                                                          enter into
                                                          more coherent
                                                          dialogue,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Michel<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          Check out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          P2P
                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
                                                          <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          #82 on the
                                                          (En)Rich list:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          --<br>
                                                          Check out the
                                                          Commons
                                                          Transition
                                                          Plan here at:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          P2P
                                                          Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  -<br>
                                                          <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
                                                          <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          #82 on the
                                                          (En)Rich list:<br>
                                                          <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      --<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Strategic
                                                      direction steward
                                                      P2P Foundation.
                                                      Director of
                                                      content<br>
                                                      <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                      Co-founder <a href="http://guerrillatranslation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">guerrillatranslation.org</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </blockquote>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    --<br>
                                                    Check out the
                                                    Commons Transition
                                                    Plan here at:<br>
                                                    <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                    - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                                    <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    #82 on the (En)Rich
                                                    list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  --<br>
                                                  Check out the Commons
                                                  Transition Plan here
                                                  at:<br>
                                                  <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                                  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  #82 on the (En)Rich
                                                  list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </blockquote>
                                                <br>
                                                <br>
                                                --<br>
                                                Check out the Commons
                                                Transition Plan here at:
                                                <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                                <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                <br>
                                                #82 on the (En)Rich
                                                list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </blockquote>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    <br clear="all">
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    -- <br>
                                    <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div>
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div>Check out the Commons
                                              Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                            - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                            <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                            <br>
                                            #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                </blockquote>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
                      </div>
                      <br>
                      <br clear="all"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      -- <br>
                      <div class="m_-2592582460983727698m_3468271721337596880gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>
                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan
                                here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                              - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                              <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                              <br>
                              #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  </font></span></blockquote><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
                  <br>
                </font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
              </font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
            </font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
          </font></span></blockquote><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
        </font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
        <br>
        <br clear="all">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        -- <br>
        <div class="m_-2592582460983727698gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                <br>
                <br>
                Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/<wbr>mbauwens</a><br>
                <br>
                #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-<wbr>complete-list/</a>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </font></span></div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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