<div dir="ltr">hi tibi,<div><br></div><div>I don't have the list now, but the point of the whole effort is to do exactly that,</div><div><br></div><div>if you seek connections, the Time Lab is a good place to start there,</div><div><br></div><div>MIchel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:34 AM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.com" target="_blank">tiberius.brastaviceanu@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Very nice! <div><br><div><b>Is there a list of doers on the ground? </b></div></div><div><br></div><div>It's cool to meet and talk again, but it would also be cool to have the doers talking to each others and understand how they can help each others. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Lynn Foster <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:foster.j.lynn@gmail.com" target="_blank">foster.j.lynn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Very good, Michel!<br></div><span><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default"><br>>one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based 
programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and 
employment not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially 
for blue-collar communities,<br><br></div></span><div style="font-size:small" class="gmail_default">Likewise, let us know if we can help in any way.<br></div><div><div class="m_8659971730649428102h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">dear David,.<div><br></div><div>I would see a rather big difference between the locally-based intentional communities based on intense and local community-based collectivism, and the peer production phyles that are based on open contributions. They are both legitimate, but they are very different beasts. I wonder if it's a good idea to have them both at the same table from the very beginning.</div><div><br></div><div>PErsonally, I don't think so, because their orientation and goals are so different. They predate the network age, and often have no intention to project systemic power at the global level, which is my aim in this gathering of proto-phyles, i.e. the gathering of transnational ethical entrepreneurial coalitions, based on commons and peer production.</div><div><br></div><div>Any encounter between them and localized intentional communities I would see as a eventual later step,</div><div><br></div><div>furthermore, my availability during the period march 15 to june 15 will be severely constrained by the ambitious project in Ghent,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><span class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></font></span></div><div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742HOEnZb"><div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>So great!!</p>
    <p>I would invite to this proto-phyle meeting the egalitarian
      communities already in motion (the FEC in USA, Kommuja in Germany,
      Longo Mai in the Alps) and some interesting small communities
      world wide (Kibutz Samar, Kibutz Lotan, Le Manoir, etc.). There
      are interesting approaches between all of them and some of them,
      as The FEC, already have internal mutual systems between their
      communities.</p>
    <p>Do some of you want to lead such a meeting?</p>
    <p>If the answer is yes we will love to help, if it is no, I could
      ask my fellow indianos and look for a date during... ¿springtime?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Big hug!</p><span class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
    <p>David<br>
    </p></font></span><div><div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388h5">
    <br>
    <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-25 10:51, Michel Bauwens
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">dear David and friends,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I will be working next spring on a commons transition
          project for the city of Ghent, (under embargo, official
          announcement on dec 2 only), </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>one of my first priorities there, will be the development
          of city-based programs to relocate production and to create
          incomes, work and employment not just for the precarious
          knowledge workers but especially for blue-collar communities,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>see here an article more or less expressing the same
          thought:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/answering-attraction-trump-ma<wbr>ssive-investment-relocalized-c<wbr>ommunity-production/2016/11/25</a><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to
          work 100 days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart
          (now a european cooperative structure with 75k members and
          growing), I also want to create a Commons Transition based
          think thank in the heart of Europe,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed
          in the earlier request, would be willing to organize some
          inter-phyles congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to
          help with that,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David
          de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
              <p>And coming back to our subject... what do you propose
                to do?<br>
              </p>
              <div>
                <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880h5"> <br>
                  <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382moz-cite-prefix">On
                    2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div dir="ltr">but actually, many former members say
                      exactly that, that the Impact Hub is extractive.
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>The general complaint is that the
                        venture-based ownership model is generating too
                        much pressure on what should be a collaborative
                        and participative model ..</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Personally, I have witnessed the forced
                        smiles of many of hostesses (often the hubs are
                        led by female members and employees), who are
                        under great pressure to 'perform' their
                        participative duties (number of events
                        organized, number of new clients recruited, etc
                        ..); and heard from outsiders, that an enormous
                        amount of skills are required for relatively low
                        pay,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I haven't verified any of this, but this is
                        based on testimonies,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Michel</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at
                        6:35 PM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I did not mean they
                          were extractive, they are just a network of
                          coworking spaces, what I pointed is the
                          difference of this kind of transnational
                          network and phyles: having a common identity
                          alternative to that of nationalism and taking
                          care of there members in case of necessity.
                          Impacthub does not provide other identity
                          different to the one that provides you to be
                          client of a nice transnational landlord nor
                          takes care of you more than any firm takes
                          care of a client.
                          <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382HOEnZb">
                            <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382h5"><br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I'm not
                                familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at
                                their website a bit,<br>
                                though). In what way are they
                                extractive?<br>
                                <br>
                                On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel
                                Bauwens<br>
                                <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                  On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM,
                                  David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                    but essentiallly for me a phyle is a
                                    trans-national business eco-system<br>
                                    for a community and its commons<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    I agree, but could have sense to be
                                    more specific in order to separate
                                    it<br>
                                    from pure transnational ecosystems
                                    as ImpactHub including something
                                    about<br>
                                    identity or responsability on the
                                    welfare of the individual partners?
                                    What<br>
                                    do you think?<br>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                  Yes, I agree that is a part of the
                                  definition, to distinguish it from the<br>
                                  extractive models, which I think the
                                  ImpactHub actually is, despite its<br>
                                  original good intentions ..<br>
                                  <br>
                                  by the way, all assistance in mapping
                                  the new global nomadic networks would<br>
                                  be very welcome:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructu<wbr>res</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Michel<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    for me las indias, enspiral,
                                    sensorica, ethos VO go in that
                                    direction ...<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    Great!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Big hug<br>
                                    David<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM,
                                    David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Great
                                      Michael!<br>
                                      <br>
                                      So... it could be interesting to
                                      have a common, and a little bit<br>
                                      detailed, definition of phyle
                                      understanding proto-phyle as all
                                      the nucleus<br>
                                      going in that direction.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Would you make the honours? :-D<br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel
                                      Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
                                      personally, I am talking about
                                      some coordination and cooperation
                                      between<br>
                                      proto-phyles ...<br>
                                      <br>
                                      coordinating commons-based
                                      production is a different topic,
                                      equally<br>
                                      interesting but this was not the
                                      topic of the original invite,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      of course, phyles could
                                      <also> coordinate their
                                      production, if they were<br>
                                      more fully developed etc ..<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Michel<br>
                                      <br>
                                      On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM,
                                      David de Ugarte <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Ah! OK,
                                        this is about coordinating
                                        commons based projects, not
                                        about<br>
                                        phyle making. So, the question
                                        should be then how phyle nucleus
                                        as ours, can<br>
                                        contribute to these movement
                                        towards territorial coordination
                                        of commons<br>
                                        based projects, Am I right?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        We agree with that idea/project
                                        and we will give our best to it,
                                        no<br>
                                        doubt. But, please lets use the
                                        word phyle with its meaning.
                                        From its very<br>
                                        origins the phyle idea had a
                                        very concrete goal: to create an
                                        alternative to<br>
                                        national identity able to
                                        complement the fading
                                        (¿collapsing?) welfare state<br>
                                        and take responsibility for its
                                        own members (social security,
                                        health,<br>
                                        guarantee of job and trade
                                        inside, safety and freedom of
                                        movements, etc.)<br>
                                        what made mandatory to the few
                                        phyle nucleus existing then, to
                                        have a<br>
                                        presence and a real autonomy in
                                        the open market while
                                        constructing a<br>
                                        money-free economy in its
                                        interior.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de
                                        Ugarte wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Great thanks to you both!!!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco
                                        Troncoso wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Here's the Commons Association
                                        text in our blog, if you don't
                                        like PDFs<br>
                                        ;)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53
                                        PM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> You
                                          all might find the pdfs below
                                          to be relevant:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          ---------- Forwarded message
                                          ----------<br>
                                          From: Christian Siefkes via
                                          Commonsverbuende<br>
                                          <<a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.common<wbr>s-institut.org</a>><br>
                                          Date: 2016-10-18 5:06
                                          GMT-05:00<br>
                                          Subject: Re:
                                          [commonsverbuende] Commons
                                          Associations jetzt auch in<br>
                                          Englisch<br>
                                          To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          Hallo Hannes und alle,<br>
                                          <br>
                                          On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian
                                          Siefkes via Commonsverbuende
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> OK,
                                            ich werde PDFs erzeugen und
                                            hochladen und dann hier
                                            nochmal<br>
                                            Bescheid sagen.<br>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          ich habe die PDfs jetzt
                                          erstellt und bei Keimform
                                          hochgeladen. Sie sind<br>
                                          vom<br>
                                          deutsch- bzw.
                                          englischsprachigen Artikel aus
                                          verlinkt oder direkt unter<br>
                                          folgenden URLs zu finden:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Deutsch:<br>
                                          <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund<wbr>.pdf</a><br>
                                          Englisch:<br>
                                          <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-association.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/08/commons-associ<wbr>ation.pdf</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Herzliche Grüße<br>
                                                   Christian<br>
                                          <br>
                                          --<br>
                                          |--------- Dr. Christian
                                          Siefkes --------- <a href="mailto:christian@siefkes.net" target="_blank">christian@siefkes.net</a><br>
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                                          Nebensache wurde:<br>
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                                          | Why Production No Longer
                                          Worries Us:<br>
                                          <a href="http://www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour<wbr>ces-1/</a><br>
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                                          --<br>
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                                               Alles.<br>
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                                          On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19
                                          AM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                            Responses inline.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06
                                            AM, David de Ugarte<br>
                                            <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              Dear Bob,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              it is a really interesting
                                              theoretical approach
                                              but... I guess we<br>
                                              are still<br>
                                              far from the point when we
                                              could attend basic
                                              consumption demands.<br>
                                              The real<br>
                                              existing fabric of p2p
                                              production is
                                              unproportionally based in<br>
                                              services (as<br>
                                              it is natural because p2p
                                              production was born in the
                                              digital<br>
                                              economy).<br>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            I am aware it's mostly
                                            services now, except for
                                            food, which could be<br>
                                            a<br>
                                            place to start on material
                                            goods, at least in regional
                                            networks.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Software, however, is the
                                            heart of p2p production now,
                                            and that is<br>
                                            not<br>
                                            coordinated very well
                                            between groups or often not
                                            even within groups.<br>
                                            The Mutual Aid Networks, for
                                            example, use several apps
                                            that do not<br>
                                            talk to each other. And
                                            several Mutual Aid Networks
                                            are starting up,<br>
                                            that will multiply the same
                                            problem. Same for Fair Coop.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Designs for material goods
                                            is another possibility.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              Increasing diversity of
                                              production is today a
                                              trend and a goal, but<br>
                                              I guess<br>
                                              diversity is not still big
                                              enough even for supporting
                                              a viable<br>
                                              productive<br>
                                              coin.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Because of it, from the
                                              very beggining we
                                              envisioned mutualism as<br>
                                              the path<br>
                                              of making phyles grow
                                              inside a wider vision we
                                              call post-laborism.<br>
                                              Please<br>
                                              have a look to this post
                                              (you will probably have to
                                              use google<br>
                                              translate)<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            Thanks, will study.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                              On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob
                                              Haugen wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                Sorry, cutnpaste error.
                                                Should have been section
                                                entitled "How we<br>
                                                can<br>
                                                implement a Mutual
                                                Coordination Economy
                                                based on existing<br>
                                                organizations".<br>
                                                <br>
                                                On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at
                                                3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    then see from there
                                                    if it makes sense to
                                                    have some extra
                                                    layer of<br>
                                                    alignment between
                                                    'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  Could this be it?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  See the section
                                                  entitled<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
                                                  and my comment below:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  On Sat, Oct 15, 2016
                                                  at 9:22 PM, Michel
                                                  Bauwens<br>
                                                  <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    dear David,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    I have great
                                                    difficulties lately
                                                    to monitor my
                                                    emails, 5755 to go<br>
                                                    <g>,<br>
                                                    and<br>
                                                    so I missed this
                                                    important response,
                                                    and the ones
                                                    following which<br>
                                                    I will<br>
                                                    process in a moment.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The first thing for
                                                    me, is perhaps that
                                                    we can organize a
                                                    common<br>
                                                    skype<br>
                                                    with<br>
                                                    joshua vial / Alanna
                                                    Krause for Enspiral,
                                                    Robert Pye for
                                                    Ethos,<br>
                                                    you and<br>
                                                    Natalia for
                                                    lasindias, tibi from
                                                    Sensorica, perhaps
                                                    others ? And<br>
                                                    then<br>
                                                    see<br>
                                                    from there if it
                                                    makes sense to have
                                                    some extra layer of<br>
                                                    alignment<br>
                                                    between<br>
                                                    'proto-phyles'<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    I copy Ann-Marie for
                                                    the p2p foundation,
                                                    for assistance in<br>
                                                    coordinating<br>
                                                    any<br>
                                                    such meetup if there
                                                    is agreement on
                                                    doing it.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Since the previous
                                                    email in this thread
                                                    is an email from our<br>
                                                    recently<br>
                                                    deceased P2P
                                                    colleague Jean
                                                    Lievens, I am
                                                    sharing a special<br>
                                                    thought in<br>
                                                    his<br>
                                                    remembrance,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Michel<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    On Mon, May 23, 2016
                                                    at 6:12 PM, David de
                                                    Ugarte<br>
                                                    <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                      We completely
                                                      agree!!<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      It is a nodal
                                                      moment because
                                                      this convergence,
                                                      I guess, reflects<br>
                                                      a<br>
                                                      deepening concern
                                                      in wide social
                                                      sectors. In our
                                                      case, we are<br>
                                                      experiencing<br>
                                                      since October's
                                                      Somero a widening
                                                      of  our audience
                                                      and a closer<br>
                                                      relation<br>
                                                      with other
                                                      communities. Last
                                                      week, in example,
                                                      we had by first<br>
                                                      time in<br>
                                                      many<br>
                                                      years, more than
                                                      10.000 unique
                                                      visitors in our
                                                      blog in only a<br>
                                                      day, and<br>
                                                      the<br>
                                                      Communard
                                                      Manifesto is
                                                      spreading a lot
                                                      faster than we
                                                      thought:<br>
                                                      there<br>
                                                      are in<br>
                                                      example volunteers
                                                      -we did not know
                                                      before-
                                                      translating it in<br>
                                                      Switzerland<br>
                                                      and Portugal to
                                                      German and
                                                      Portuguese
                                                      languages.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      So, we are sensing
                                                      not only the
                                                      appearance of a
                                                      «P2P theoritical<br>
                                                      camp»,<br>
                                                      but the emergence
                                                      of a «P2P
                                                      audience» probably
                                                      product of the<br>
                                                      disenchanted<br>
                                                      with the political
                                                      hopes hegemonic
                                                      only a year ago
                                                      between the<br>
                                                      majority<br>
                                                      of<br>
                                                      the activists in
                                                      countries like
                                                      Spain or Greece.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      So, Michel, what
                                                      comes now? How
                                                      could we
                                                      contribute?<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      On 2016-05-21
                                                      22:06, Michel
                                                      Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      AN IMPORTANT PIVOT
                                                      MOMENT TOWARDS A
                                                      THE EMERGENCE OF A<br>
                                                      COLLECTIVE<br>
                                                      ORGANIC<br>
                                                      INTELLECTUAL FOR
                                                      THE COMMONS
                                                      MOVEMENT<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      The above has
                                                      always been the
                                                      ambition of the
                                                      P2P Foundation,<br>
                                                      and I<br>
                                                      believe this is
                                                      now coalescing ..
                                                      some signs<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      1) Las Indias has
                                                      consolidated all
                                                      its original
                                                      insights in the<br>
                                                      just<br>
                                                      published
                                                      Communard
                                                      Manifesto (Steve
                                                      Herrick: you can
                                                      perhaps<br>
                                                      let them<br>
                                                      know<br>
                                                      about this posting
                                                      here as they are
                                                      not on fb)<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      2) the last video
                                                      by Dmytri Kleiner,
                                                      which I posted
                                                      here, also<br>
                                                      shows a<br>
                                                      convergence
                                                      towards this
                                                      multi-modal
                                                      approach (working
                                                      for the<br>
                                                      strengthening<br>
                                                      of the new economy
                                                      within the
                                                      existing one) and
                                                      has a very<br>
                                                      precise<br>
                                                      strategy<br>
                                                      and many
                                                      innovative
                                                      concepts<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      3) the critique by
                                                      Alanna Krause on
                                                      the blockchain
                                                      which I<br>
                                                      posited,<br>
                                                      along<br>
                                                      with the
                                                      'transvestment'
                                                      practices, show
                                                      that both the
                                                      practice,<br>
                                                      and<br>
                                                      the<br>
                                                      theory, and the
                                                      subjectivity of
                                                      Enspiral is moving
                                                      in the same<br>
                                                      direction<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      4) as for myself,
                                                      I am working on a
                                                      more theoretical
                                                      book in<br>
                                                      which I'm<br>
                                                      aligning all our
                                                      pasts insights
                                                      following the
                                                      overview of Kojin<br>
                                                      Karatini ..<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I may be
                                                      forgetting some
                                                      other elements,
                                                      but here we are,
                                                      there<br>
                                                      is<br>
                                                      effectively, a
                                                      collective organic
                                                      intellectual at
                                                      work, which is<br>
                                                      thinking<br>
                                                      through the
                                                      strategies to be
                                                      followed by the
                                                      forces of the<br>
                                                      commons, in<br>
                                                      a way<br>
                                                      that may have been
                                                      there in seed
                                                      form, but is about
                                                      to flower<br>
                                                      and ..<br>
                                                      THIS IS<br>
                                                      HUGELY IMPORTANT<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I am not implying
                                                      here of course
                                                      that there are no
                                                      differences<br>
                                                      between<br>
                                                      the<br>
                                                      approaches of
                                                      these groups, but
                                                      that they are
                                                      moving broadly in<br>
                                                      the<br>
                                                      same<br>
                                                      direction .<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      At present, there
                                                      are not any formal
                                                      bridges between
                                                      these<br>
                                                      groups, but<br>
                                                      there are
                                                      occasional
                                                      informal contacts,
                                                      and the memes do
                                                      seem to<br>
                                                      travel<br>
                                                      ..<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      With Dmytri
                                                      Kleiner, we are
                                                      discussing a
                                                      'Transvestment'<br>
                                                      conference in<br>
                                                      Berlin at the end
                                                      of this year, no
                                                      funding yet, this
                                                      could be an<br>
                                                      occasion<br>
                                                      for these groups
                                                      to enter into more
                                                      coherent dialogue,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Michel<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      --<br>
                                                      Check out the
                                                      Commons Transition
                                                      Plan here at:<br>
                                                      <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                      -<br>
                                                      <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
                                                      <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                      (En)Rich list:<br>
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                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </blockquote>
                                                    <br>
                                                    --<br>
                                                    Check out the
                                                    Commons Transition
                                                    Plan here at:<br>
                                                    <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                                    -<br>
                                                    <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;<br>
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                                                    list:<br>
                                                    <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
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                                        --<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Strategic direction steward P2P
                                        Foundation. Director of content<br>
                                        <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                        Co-founder <a href="http://guerrillatranslation.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">guerrillatranslation.org</a><br>
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                                      <br>
                                      --<br>
                                      Check out the Commons Transition
                                      Plan here at:<br>
                                      <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                      - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                      <br>
                                      Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                      <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
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                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    --<br>
                                    Check out the Commons Transition
                                    Plan here at:<br>
                                    <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                    - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                    <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  --<br>
                                  Check out the Commons Transition Plan
                                  here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                                  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                                  <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                                  <br>
                                  #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a><br>
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                      -- <br>
                      <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880m_-5644806738302651382gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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                              <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan
                                here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                              - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                              <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                              <br>
                              #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
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        -- <br>
        <div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388m_3468271721337596880gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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                <div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> 
                - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a>
                <br>
                <br>
                Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>;
                <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br>
                <br>
                #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_8659971730649428102m_6163091786131719742m_-5878008497075877388gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwe<wbr>ns</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-comp<wbr>lete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br><div class="m_8659971730649428102gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu" target="_blank">t!b!</a> </div><div dir="ltr"><br><div>co-founder of <a href="http://www.sensorica.co" target="_blank">SENSORICA</a>: <span style="font-size:12.8px">an <i><a href="http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">open </a></i></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><i><a href="http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page" target="_blank">value network</a></i></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">co-founder of </span><a href="http://aces-cake.org/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">CAKE</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">: </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">consulting for the new economy</span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Part of <a href="http://blocksense.io/index.html" target="_blank">Blocksense</a>: blockchain and other p2p technologies</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">founder of </span><a href="http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">Multitude Project</a>: informing the new multitude<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.sensorica.co/home/about-us/tiberius-brastaviceanu" target="_blank">Profile</a></div><div><div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/tiberius.brastaviceanu" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/tiberius.<wbr>brastaviceanu</a><br></div><a href="http://twitter.com/TiberiusB" target="_blank">@TiberiusB</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a>  </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a>  - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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