<div dir="ltr">dear David and friends,<div><br></div><div>I will be working next spring on a commons transition project for the city of Ghent, (under embargo, official announcement on dec 2 only), </div><div><br></div><div>one of my first priorities there, will be the development of city-based programs to relocate production and to create incomes, work and employment not just for the precarious knowledge workers but especially for blue-collar communities,</div><div><br></div><div>see here an article more or less expressing the same thought:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/answering-attraction-trump-massive-investment-relocalized-community-production/2016/11/25</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Eventually, after my relocation in brussels in the fall, to work 100 days a year for the fast-growing labour mutual Smart (now a european cooperative structure with 75k members and growing), I also want to create a Commons Transition based think thank in the heart of Europe,</div><div><br></div><div>I am still hoping that the groups and individuals addressed in the earlier request, would be willing to organize some inter-phyles congress at some point, and I'd be very happy to help with that,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:34 AM, David de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
    <p>And coming back to our subject... what do you propose to do?<br>
    </p><div><div class="h5">
    <br>
    <div class="m_-5644806738302651382moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-03 15:10, Michel Bauwens
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">but actually, many former members say exactly that,
        that the Impact Hub is extractive.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The general complaint is that the venture-based ownership
          model is generating too much pressure on what should be a
          collaborative and participative model ..</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Personally, I have witnessed the forced smiles of many of
          hostesses (often the hubs are led by female members and
          employees), who are under great pressure to 'perform' their
          participative duties (number of events organized, number of
          new clients recruited, etc ..); and heard from outsiders, that
          an enormous amount of skills are required for relatively low
          pay,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I haven't verified any of this, but this is based on
          testimonies,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Michel</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:35 PM, David
          de Ugarte <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I did not
            mean they were extractive, they are just a network of
            coworking spaces, what I pointed is the difference of this
            kind of transnational network and phyles: having a common
            identity alternative to that of nationalism and taking care
            of there members in case of necessity. Impacthub does not
            provide other identity different to the one that provides
            you to be client of a nice transnational landlord nor takes
            care of you more than any firm takes care of a client.
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              <div class="m_-5644806738302651382h5"><br>
                <br>
                <br>
                On 2016-10-23 13:29, Bob Haugen wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  I'm not familiar with ImpactHub (just looked at their
                  website a bit,<br>
                  though). In what way are they extractive?<br>
                  <br>
                  On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Michel Bauwens<br>
                  <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                    <br>
                    On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:13 PM, David de Ugarte
                    <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <br>
                      but essentiallly for me a phyle is a
                      trans-national business eco-system<br>
                      for a community and its commons<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      I agree, but could have sense to be more specific
                      in order to separate it<br>
                      from pure transnational ecosystems as ImpactHub
                      including something about<br>
                      identity or responsability on the welfare of the
                      individual partners? What<br>
                      do you think?<br>
                    </blockquote>
                    <br>
                    Yes, I agree that is a part of the definition, to
                    distinguish it from the<br>
                    extractive models, which I think the ImpactHub
                    actually is, despite its<br>
                    original good intentions ..<br>
                    <br>
                    by the way, all assistance in mapping the new global
                    nomadic networks would<br>
                    be very welcome:<br>
                    <br>
                    <a href="https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructures" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/Category:Nomadic_Infrastructu<wbr>res</a><br>
                    <br>
                    Michel<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      for me las indias, enspiral, sensorica, ethos VO
                      go in that direction ...<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Great!<br>
                      <br>
                      Big hug<br>
                      David<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:11 PM, David de Ugarte
                      <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        Great Michael!<br>
                        <br>
                        So... it could be interesting to have a common,
                        and a little bit<br>
                        detailed, definition of phyle understanding
                        proto-phyle as all the nucleus<br>
                        going in that direction.<br>
                        <br>
                        Would you make the honours? :-D<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On 2016-10-18 14:03, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                        personally, I am talking about some coordination
                        and cooperation between<br>
                        proto-phyles ...<br>
                        <br>
                        coordinating commons-based production is a
                        different topic, equally<br>
                        interesting but this was not the topic of the
                        original invite,<br>
                        <br>
                        of course, phyles could <also> coordinate
                        their production, if they were<br>
                        more fully developed etc ..<br>
                        <br>
                        Michel<br>
                        <br>
                        On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte
                        <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons
                          based projects, not about<br>
                          phyle making. So, the question should be then
                          how phyle nucleus as ours, can<br>
                          contribute to these movement towards
                          territorial coordination of commons<br>
                          based projects, Am I right?<br>
                          <br>
                          We agree with that idea/project and we will
                          give our best to it, no<br>
                          doubt. But, please lets use the word phyle
                          with its meaning. From its very<br>
                          origins the phyle idea had a very concrete
                          goal: to create an alternative to<br>
                          national identity able to complement the
                          fading (¿collapsing?) welfare state<br>
                          and take responsibility for its own members
                          (social security, health,<br>
                          guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and
                          freedom of movements, etc.)<br>
                          what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus
                          existing then, to have a<br>
                          presence and a real autonomy in the open
                          market while constructing a<br>
                          money-free economy in its interior.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          Great thanks to you both!!!<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          Here's the Commons Association text in our
                          blog, if you don't like PDFs<br>
                          ;)<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based-projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/unifying-commons-based-projec<wbr>ts-in-a-self-organised-solidar<wbr>ity-economy/2016/09/09</a><br>
                          <br>
                          On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen
                          <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                          wrote:<br>
                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                            You all might find the pdfs below to be
                            relevant:<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
                            From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende<br>
                            <<a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.common<wbr>s-institut.org</a>><br>
                            Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00<br>
                            Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons
                            Associations jetzt auch in<br>
                            Englisch<br>
                            To: <a href="mailto:commonsverbuende@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commonsverbuende@lists.commons<wbr>-institut.org</a><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Hallo Hannes und alle,<br>
                            <br>
                            On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via
                            Commonsverbuende wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                              OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen
                              und dann hier nochmal<br>
                              Bescheid sagen.<br>
                            </blockquote>
                            ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei
                            Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind<br>
                            vom<br>
                            deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus
                            verlinkt oder direkt unter<br>
                            folgenden URLs zu finden:<br>
                            <br>
                            Deutsch:<br>
                            <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund<wbr>.pdf</a><br>
                            Englisch:<br>
                            <a href="http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-association.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://keimform.de/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/08/commons-associ<wbr>ation.pdf</a><br>
                            <br>
                            Herzliche Grüße<br>
                                     Christian<br>
                            <br>
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                             |   Blog:<br>
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                            | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde:<br>
                            <a href="http://www.keimform.de/2013/freie-quellen-1/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que<wbr>llen-1/</a><br>
                            | Why Production No Longer Worries Us:<br>
                            <a href="http://www.keimform.de/2013/free-sources-1/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour<wbr>ces-1/</a><br>
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                                 Alles.<br>
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                            On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen
                            <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                              Responses inline.<br>
                              <br>
                              On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de
                              Ugarte<br>
                              <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                Dear Bob,<br>
                                <br>
                                it is a really interesting theoretical
                                approach but... I guess we<br>
                                are still<br>
                                far from the point when we could attend
                                basic consumption demands.<br>
                                The real<br>
                                existing fabric of p2p production is
                                unproportionally based in<br>
                                services (as<br>
                                it is natural because p2p production was
                                born in the digital<br>
                                economy).<br>
                              </blockquote>
                              I am aware it's mostly services now,
                              except for food, which could be<br>
                              a<br>
                              place to start on material goods, at least
                              in regional networks.<br>
                              <br>
                              Software, however, is the heart of p2p
                              production now, and that is<br>
                              not<br>
                              coordinated very well between groups or
                              often not even within groups.<br>
                              The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use
                              several apps that do not<br>
                              talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid
                              Networks are starting up,<br>
                              that will multiply the same problem. Same
                              for Fair Coop.<br>
                              <br>
                              Designs for material goods is another
                              possibility.<br>
                              <br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                Increasing diversity of production is
                                today a trend and a goal, but<br>
                                I guess<br>
                                diversity is not still big enough even
                                for supporting a viable<br>
                                productive<br>
                                coin.<br>
                                <br>
                                Because of it, from the very beggining
                                we envisioned mutualism as<br>
                                the path<br>
                                of making phyles grow inside a wider
                                vision we call post-laborism.<br>
                                Please<br>
                                have a look to this post (you will
                                probably have to use google<br>
                                translate)<br>
                                <br>
                                <a href="https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lasindias.com/post-lab<wbr>orismo</a><br>
                              </blockquote>
                              Thanks, will study.<br>
                              <br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                  Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have
                                  been section entitled "How we<br>
                                  can<br>
                                  implement a Mutual Coordination
                                  Economy based on existing<br>
                                  organizations".<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob
                                  Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com" target="_blank">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                      then see from there if it makes
                                      sense to have some extra layer of<br>
                                      alignment between 'proto-phyles'<br>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    Could this be it?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10</a><br>
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                                    See the section entitled<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    "<a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.ne<wbr>t/how-the-signals-used-by-capi<wbr>talist-supply-chains-could-ser<wbr>ve-a-mutual-coordination-econo<wbr>my/2016/02/10</a>"<br>
                                    and my comment below:<br>
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                                    <br>
                                    <a href="https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capitalist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://blog.p2pfoundation.net<wbr>/how-the-signals-used-by-capit<wbr>alist-supply-chains-could-serv<wbr>e-a-mutual-coordination-econom<wbr>y/2016/02/10#comment-1551200</a><br>
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                                    On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM,
                                    Michel Bauwens<br>
                                    <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      dear David,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I have great difficulties lately
                                      to monitor my emails, 5755 to go<br>
                                      <g>,<br>
                                      and<br>
                                      so I missed this important
                                      response, and the ones following
                                      which<br>
                                      I will<br>
                                      process in a moment.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The first thing for me, is perhaps
                                      that we can organize a common<br>
                                      skype<br>
                                      with<br>
                                      joshua vial / Alanna Krause for
                                      Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos,<br>
                                      you and<br>
                                      Natalia for lasindias, tibi from
                                      Sensorica, perhaps others ? And<br>
                                      then<br>
                                      see<br>
                                      from there if it makes sense to
                                      have some extra layer of<br>
                                      alignment<br>
                                      between<br>
                                      'proto-phyles'<br>
                                      <br>
                                      I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p
                                      foundation, for assistance in<br>
                                      coordinating<br>
                                      any<br>
                                      such meetup if there is agreement
                                      on doing it.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Since the previous email in this
                                      thread is an email from our<br>
                                      recently<br>
                                      deceased P2P colleague Jean
                                      Lievens, I am sharing a special<br>
                                      thought in<br>
                                      his<br>
                                      remembrance,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Michel<br>
                                      <br>
                                      On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM,
                                      David de Ugarte<br>
                                      <<a href="mailto:david@lasindias.coop" target="_blank">david@lasindias.coop</a>><br>
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        We completely agree!!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        It is a nodal moment because
                                        this convergence, I guess,
                                        reflects<br>
                                        a<br>
                                        deepening concern in wide social
                                        sectors. In our case, we are<br>
                                        experiencing<br>
                                        since October's Somero a
                                        widening of  our audience and a
                                        closer<br>
                                        relation<br>
                                        with other communities. Last
                                        week, in example, we had by
                                        first<br>
                                        time in<br>
                                        many<br>
                                        years, more than 10.000 unique
                                        visitors in our blog in only a<br>
                                        day, and<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        Communard Manifesto is spreading
                                        a lot faster than we thought:<br>
                                        there<br>
                                        are in<br>
                                        example volunteers -we did not
                                        know before- translating it in<br>
                                        Switzerland<br>
                                        and Portugal to German and
                                        Portuguese languages.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        So, we are sensing not only the
                                        appearance of a «P2P theoritical<br>
                                        camp»,<br>
                                        but the emergence of a «P2P
                                        audience» probably product of
                                        the<br>
                                        disenchanted<br>
                                        with the political hopes
                                        hegemonic only a year ago
                                        between the<br>
                                        majority<br>
                                        of<br>
                                        the activists in countries like
                                        Spain or Greece.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        So, Michel, what comes now? How
                                        could we contribute?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel
                                        Bauwens wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
                                        AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT
                                        TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A<br>
                                        COLLECTIVE<br>
                                        ORGANIC<br>
                                        INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS
                                        MOVEMENT<br>
                                        <br>
                                        The above has always been the
                                        ambition of the P2P Foundation,<br>
                                        and I<br>
                                        believe this is now coalescing
                                        .. some signs<br>
                                        <br>
                                        1) Las Indias has consolidated
                                        all its original insights in the<br>
                                        just<br>
                                        published Communard Manifesto
                                        (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps<br>
                                        let them<br>
                                        know<br>
                                        about this posting here as they
                                        are not on fb)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        2) the last video by Dmytri
                                        Kleiner, which I posted here,
                                        also<br>
                                        shows a<br>
                                        convergence towards this
                                        multi-modal approach (working
                                        for the<br>
                                        strengthening<br>
                                        of the new economy within the
                                        existing one) and has a very<br>
                                        precise<br>
                                        strategy<br>
                                        and many innovative concepts<br>
                                        <br>
                                        3) the critique by Alanna Krause
                                        on the blockchain which I<br>
                                        posited,<br>
                                        along<br>
                                        with the 'transvestment'
                                        practices, show that both the
                                        practice,<br>
                                        and<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        theory, and the subjectivity of
                                        Enspiral is moving in the same<br>
                                        direction<br>
                                        <br>
                                        4) as for myself, I am working
                                        on a more theoretical book in<br>
                                        which I'm<br>
                                        aligning all our pasts insights
                                        following the overview of Kojin<br>
                                        Karatini ..<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I may be forgetting some other
                                        elements, but here we are, there<br>
                                        is<br>
                                        effectively, a collective
                                        organic intellectual at work,
                                        which is<br>
                                        thinking<br>
                                        through the strategies to be
                                        followed by the forces of the<br>
                                        commons, in<br>
                                        a way<br>
                                        that may have been there in seed
                                        form, but is about to flower<br>
                                        and ..<br>
                                        THIS IS<br>
                                        HUGELY IMPORTANT<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I am not implying here of course
                                        that there are no differences<br>
                                        between<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        approaches of these groups, but
                                        that they are moving broadly in<br>
                                        the<br>
                                        same<br>
                                        direction .<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        At present, there are not any
                                        formal bridges between these<br>
                                        groups, but<br>
                                        there are occasional informal
                                        contacts, and the memes do seem
                                        to<br>
                                        travel<br>
                                        ..<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        With Dmytri Kleiner, we are
                                        discussing a 'Transvestment'<br>
                                        conference in<br>
                                        Berlin at the end of this year,
                                        no funding yet, this could be an<br>
                                        occasion<br>
                                        for these groups to enter into
                                        more coherent dialogue,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Michel<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        --<br>
                                        Check out the Commons Transition
                                        Plan here at:<br>
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                        <br>
                        --<br>
                        Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
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                        <br>
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                      --<br>
                      Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
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                      <br>
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