<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br>Hi James, thanks again. Will follow the updates. I hope all goes well with the organization, and hope there would be some space for a lively discussion in the program. If am around, and can effort it, I may be dropping by. </div><div>Best, </div><div>Örsan<br><br></div><div><br>On 03 Jul 2016, at 16:45, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Orsan,<div><br></div><div>We are adjusting the website to be more accurate regarding the ticketing and the funding information as it was incomplete.</div><div>The conference is for the benefit of the Commons. We hope you come and hope to see you there.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the feedback,</div><div><br></div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Orsan Senalp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" target="_blank">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><br>Well James, seems like complaining is needed. You take it as 'a lot', but where there is no prefigurative act; it is never enough When those always talking about the importance of commons, p2p, opennes... and as they emerge as star goals turns into means- a feeling emerges and it becomes visible that actually none cares the content commons, Peer to Peer, free and open... they are not seen as important as it is said at all.. By stellars themselves... it feels like you, as well as your employers, all see these as means to end as well. </div><div><br></div><div>Think about the EU funding; do you recall how many million Euro was that? And the setting up this conference -'Think like a Commoner' and tell us do you see any one can prefigure a partner state like practice; No opennes, no participatory - open budgeting, bo cooperatives.. there is only inter-stellar politics agenda setting, controlled access and all nice words about what is needed to be done. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the effort to clarify and try to show some respect for The sake of transparemcy; but in that sense I and others don't know anything yet. All this inter-stellar conferences, too bright light our new Stars shine blinds most of us; of funding, of power.. I dont know James, if you care at all; or understand politics; but this way would only bring more funding and power to some and this line of high level politics is destined to end up with more enclosure of the commons, at best, by a new class of people.. </div><div><br></div><div>Good luck</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br>On 03 Jul 2016, at 09:55, james burke <<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com" target="_blank">lifesized@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Orsan,<div><br></div><div>We are very underfunded for the event because the budget has already been used for research. We were already lucky to have the city of Amsterdam provide a space for the event. This is why we are charging for some tickets. Also the price for the tickets is very low compared to most conferences with a similar stellar lineup of speakers. You are right to ask and now you know. Apologies for any sarcarsm. Not intended. </div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>James</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:23 AM, Orsan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" target="_blank">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Does anyone know who is you James? you write it like you know all on the list, and you know me. </div><div><br></div><div>Your sarcastic tone is really annoying, and you don't know me, you don't like me at all. Neither I know you and like you. </div><div><br></div><div>The truth is your paid job is to sets up and event, funded by EU, where Global Commons agenda is supposed to be set up, you guys, as once Restakis accidentally declared to public, on the driving wheel... Plus charging participants... Sorry but it will not be like that. </div><div><br></div><div>There will be annoyed ones critically targeting what is being boiled.. </div><div><br></div><div>WSF is another story, I will complain about that later, which is not your paid job area. </div><div><br></div><div>Things boil down to agenda setting, and power struggle. We will luckily discuss all publicly this time. God bliss commons, p2p and the Internet. </div><div><br></div><div>Good luck. </div><div><div><div><br></div><div><br>On 3 jul. 2016, at 01:33, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">thanks james!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:59 AM, james burke <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lifesized@gmail.com" target="_blank">lifesized@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">A public response will follow. We know him personally and like him, although he likes to complain a lot.<div><br><div><br></div><div>J</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear James et al,<div><br></div><div>thanks for responding to this question and critique by Orsan Senalp:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Message: 1</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:16:36 +0200</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">From: Orsan Senalp <</span><a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">orsan1234@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Subject: [P2P-F] Eu funded Global Commons Conference, </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><span>2-3 September</span></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">,</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> Amsterdam</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">To: "<</span><a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">>"</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">>, P2P Foundation mailing list</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">>, Commoning</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"> <</span><a href="mailto:commoning@lists.commons-institut.org" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">commoning@lists.commons-institut.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Message-ID: <</span><a href="mailto:EEA10DC4-F19B-45E8-B22C-3EEC5753BEC8@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">EEA10DC4-F19B-45E8-B22C-3EEC5753BEC8@gmail.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8px">></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I am based very Amsterdam but heard about this event from Facebook. It was not clear from the website if registration fee will be charged. In case there is a fee for participation, although I am very close it seems as many other commoners it would not possible for me to join this event; let alone the ethic problem of charging people for already funded event by EU, with public money.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">.....</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Peer Value:Advancing the Commons Collaborative Economy is a conference integrating conversations and plans of action for shaping and connecting the Commons on a global level.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">The conference is organized along three tracks:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Track 1: P2P: Inclusive Politics, Activism and Law for the Commons</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Track 2: Decentralized Tech and Beyond:Global Design,Local Production</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Track 3: From Platform to Open Cooperativism</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">We will explore questions such as:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What are the conditions that encourage communities to work as peers, creating commons?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What are the best practices communities can adopt to safeguard their resilience?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Decentralization - why is it important, and how is it implemented and maintained?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">How can the working methodologies honed by well-established digital communities act as transitional guidelines for sustainable ?material? manufacturing?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">What about social innovation and livelihoods - how does contributory and open accounting work with the systems of value creation found in CBPP?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">How can civil society participate in recommending policy proposals that support CBPP for governments at the local, regional, national - even global - levels?</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Join your peers, add your voice and take part in the growing conversation about the Commons as an important, emerging collaborative social model.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Register now ></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">This event is funded by a European Union FP7 research grant.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Web: <a href="http://peervalueconf.eu" target="_blank">Peervalueconf.eu</a></span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">....</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">In solidarity,</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">?rsan</span><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a> </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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