<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">larry victor</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nuet1370@gmail.com">nuet1370@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 1:37 PM<br>Subject: sysnets-P2P, Greece, BREXIT-Trump-TPP, Chaos/Order/Disorder, Sarason, RYSE<br>To: <a href="mailto:nuet1370@gmail.com">nuet1370@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: Tom Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com">thg@mindspring.com</a>>, albert lundquist <<a href="mailto:agltucs1@gmail.com">agltucs1@gmail.com</a>>, Alex Gagnon <<a href="mailto:gagnon.alex@gmail.com">gagnon.alex@gmail.com</a>>, Dan Davidson <<a href="mailto:d-a-n-d@cox.net">d-a-n-d@cox.net</a>>, "Dan R.D." <<a href="mailto:ddrrnt@gmail.com">ddrrnt@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:mentor@slt.lk">mentor@slt.lk</a>" <<a href="mailto:mentor@slt.lk">mentor@slt.lk</a>>, Jamie Lantz <<a href="mailto:bigmammakaliii@yahoo.com">bigmammakaliii@yahoo.com</a>>, MINGO <<a href="mailto:Mingomigs@centurylink.net">Mingomigs@centurylink.net</a>>, Joe Brewer <<a href="mailto:circlejoe@gmail.com">circlejoe@gmail.com</a>>, Michael Gentry <<a href="mailto:mgentry70@gmail.com">mgentry70@gmail.com</a>>, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>>, Linda Ellinor <<a href="mailto:lellinor25@gmail.com">lellinor25@gmail.com</a>>, Fabio Barone <<a href="mailto:holon.earth@gmail.com">holon.earth@gmail.com</a>>, David Pinto <<a href="mailto:happyseaurchin@gmail.com">happyseaurchin@gmail.com</a>>, David Braden <<a href="mailto:d-braden@comcast.net">d-braden@comcast.net</a>>, HELENE FINIDORI <<a href="mailto:hfinidori@gmail.com">hfinidori@gmail.com</a>>, Lynne <<a href="mailto:thisistheoperatingsystem@gmail.com">thisistheoperatingsystem@gmail.com</a>>, George Por <<a href="mailto:george@community-intelligence.com">george@community-intelligence.com</a>>, Glistening Deepwater <<a href="mailto:gdeepwater@gmail.com">gdeepwater@gmail.com</a>>, John Ringland <<a href="mailto:john.ringland@anandavala.info">john.ringland@anandavala.info</a>>, Rosa Zubizarreta <<a href="mailto:rosalegria00@gmail.com">rosalegria00@gmail.com</a>>, Alexander Robert Laszlo <<a href="mailto:alaszlo@itba.edu.ar">alaszlo@itba.edu.ar</a>>, Anthony Judge <<a href="mailto:anthony.judge@gmail.com">anthony.judge@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br>
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<p>Friends & Colleagues, relevant thoughts of the day - in the
order they came to mind, although those further down may be more
significant.<br>
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<p>I found this url interesting, a short voice history of the Greece
entrapment - general. Economic systems trapping countries into
debt. Long ago I read such stories online. But, they are few and
spotty. When we see them we think that the media is covering it,
but it really isn't. How much do we over-estimate the knowledge
others have about what we know?<br>
<a href="https://soundcloud.com/upstreampodcast/greek-financial-crisis-explained-maria-scordialos-sneak-peak-1#t=0:00" target="_blank">https://soundcloud.com/upstreampodcast/greek-financial-crisis-explained-maria-scordialos-sneak-peak-1#t=0:00</a><br>
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<p>Might the Global Corporate System be behind BREXIT and the future
breakup of EU. The corporate global systems wants to isolate all
"governments" and make them only worker bees for them. Our
election may lead to the breakdown (sever weakening) of the
Federal System of the USA. USA military and NATO could continue
as military arms of corporations. It won't be explicit.
"Governments" will continue to be presented as "fronts" on which
to focus and anger of the public.<br>
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<p>TPP or Trump? If Trump is elected, he won't last - unless he can
be used. TPP will be approved - so long as the Global Corps
Rule. Hillary will approve a slightly modified TPP.</p>
<p>What system would be best to handle Real Climate Change, Total
Global Corporate or Waring Nations? Unified nations won't be
permitted by the Global Corporate Elite.<br>
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<p>If the governments are controlled by the Corps, and the people
are convinced of this, then the people may abandon trying to
reform governments and begin action against the real bosses, or go
UPLIFT.<br>
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<p>Read today that the Northern Jet Stream dipped below the equator
- for the first time in recorded history.</p>
<p>Have you seen any Order - Disorder ratio comparisons for
humankind? Hard to measure, but the degree of order today may be
illusionary. Also, established system show disorder; activists
show chaos.<br>
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<p>I like to distinguish Disorder from Chaos. From it's Greek
origins, Chaos is the font of Order. Order Emerges from Chaos.
Disorder emerges from Order. Imagine superimposing many songs or
pictures. Perception would be chaos, but underneath are many
orders waiting to be seen or heard if filtered. The many new
activist processes emergent today, when not coordinated, interfere
as chaos.</p>
<p>About two decades ago, when I first distinguished between nets
and systems, I proposed that as a whole entity, nets can't do
anything other than the simple sum of the doings of its nodes. By
adding constraints on the relations between nodes in a net, the
net shifts to being (the skeleton of) systems, which can do more
than the simple sum of their components. P2P may be demonstrating
impotence, in spite of the very high quality of activity in the
nets, because they see themselves in conflict with systems - which
from the net perspective are too top-down and authoritarian.
Network perspectives may have too much "individualism" ideology. I
need to develop this and get the P2P Foundation's analysis. I
favor a dynamic of sysnets alternating between being primarily
networks and occasional formation of temporary systems, returning
back to more open networks.<br>
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<p>My poor memory just brought up that Seymour Sarason wrote deeply
on the conflict between nets and systems in his two volume
reporting on his 1970s experimentation with <u>Resource Exchange
Networks (REN)</u>.
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Resource-Exchange-Network-Vol/dp/0914797468?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Resource-Exchange-Network-Vol/dp/0914797468?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0</a>
Reading his Wikipedia bio and other more current reports of his
great productivity, I am very disappointed that there is no
mention (other than a listing in his full list of publications) of
this landmark work. I now realize that his work in the 1970s
foresaw the P2P movement, and a REN remains a network type that we
need. I now see the relationship between an REN and Zuboff's <u>Support
Economy</u>, which I have generalized to a SEAFnet. This merits
a separate blog post. If P2P isn't aware of Sarason, they need be.<br>
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<p>George Carlin calls for the need of UPLIFT:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ&feature=youtu.be" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ&feature=youtu.be</a><br>
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XKIUHTEZCATL Martinez (now 16) is someone to watch:
<a href="http://www.earthguardians.org/ryse/" target="_blank">http://www.earthguardians.org/ryse/</a><br>
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My latest post: <a href="http://nuet.us/2016/06/30/are-we-all-on-the-titanic/" target="_blank">http://nuet.us/2016/06/30/are-we-all-on-the-titanic/</a><br>
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Enough for now.<br>
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Larry/nuet <br>
<a href="http://nuet.us/" target="_blank">http://nuet.us/</a> <br>
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