<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Positive and hope on the other hand lies in the non-automatable part of life and human. </span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Here is a Bruce Lee video, where he plays ping pong with his thin fighting sticks, which express it best: </span><br><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SncapPrTusA">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SncapPrTusA</a></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Orsan</span></div><div><span style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></span><br></div><div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>On 06 Nov 2015, at 21:18, Orsan Senalp <<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Perfectly put Jakob! I was thinking, while watching sheer amount of recent Hollywood (and some Bollywood) movies about automata-AI-robots and while my brain and body is becoming a part of a fully automated system of a call center I work at, about the similarity between the automation we are dealing here and the motoric (as human cognitive-physiologic ability) development. My practical experience shows these two can be today combined in an extremely efficient way by modern corporations around highly complex production-consumption-recycle systems (value chain) where all feedback harvested in form of data, monitored and used as feed back to maximize the absolute and relative exploitation rate. This private ownership of Data and means of automation and ultra socialization of networked labour -during the production and in the whole value cycle- is the key indeed. Thus full automation without overcoming this contradiction might very well mean full fledge slavery in a digital feudalism like environment. </div><div>Best. </div><div>Orsan<br><br><br></div><div><br>On 06 Nov 2015, at 20:20, "Jakob Rigi" <<a href="mailto:Rigij@ceu.edu">Rigij@ceu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Author" content="Novell GroupWise WebAccess"><div>I have not read the book, but for me full automation means to automate any process that technically can be automated. Now, two problem arise immediately: 1) Automation makes people unemployed; 2) it deprives people from physical activity. But both are false problems. Reduce labour day in the same rate as you automate then everyone will have a job. further, everyone should be entitled to products that machines produce since the labour contribution is minimal. Automated must be commons and privately owned. Concerning physical activity, automation will provides a technical ground for its flourishing. The craft as hobby-art will flourish, people will spend a good portion of their free time on enjoyable and creative physical activities, various forms of sport, exploration of nature and craft.</div><br><div>best</div><div>Jakob <br><br>>>> Ursula Huws <<a href="mailto:ursulahuws@analyticaresearch.co.uk">ursulahuws@analyticaresearch.co.uk</a>> 11/02/15 11:23 AM >>><br><style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What do you mean by ‘full automation’? Ursula<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Anna Harris [<a href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk">mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 02 November 2015 09:19<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a>; <a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Ursula Huws <<a href="mailto:ursulahuws@analyticaresearch.co.uk">ursulahuws@analyticaresearch.co.uk</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> NEW FROM VERSO: INVENTING THE FUTURE BY NICK SRNICEK AND ALEX WILLIAMS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">This book offers the framework of building a campaign strategy around the demand for full automation and a basic income for all. This is not a short term demand but a vision of what can be achieved if labour groups come together with academics and supporters to design the future. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Personally I believe they have drawn the supporting network too narrowly. But that only makes the case for this campaign even more strongly. I wrote some time ago:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">BIG (basic income guaranteed) may be revolutionary, but it does not need the economic system to change drastically in order to be introduced. In that sense it is reformist, although the effects are revolutionary. <br>The big advantages are that <br>1. it can be introduced without massive changes to the economic system. <br>2. It is a very simple idea which can be appreciated by people without much knowledge of the economy.<br>3. It has been tried in pilot experiments, and found to be successful in stimulating economic activity. (Brazil)<br>4. Many economists agree (James Robertson, Jeremy Rifkin, Edward Snowden, Richard Swift) that with technology replacing many jobs that previously required human labour, BIG of some sort is necessary.<br>5. Naomi Klein highlights it in her latest book This Changes Everything, as one of the game changing battles that 'don't merely aim to change laws, but changes patterns of thought.'(p 641)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The authors are coming to Leeds for an open discussion on Nov 14.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/1624336424483090/">https://www.facebook.com/events/1624336424483090/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I believe that this campaign could appeal widely across all political spectrums, and would welcome more discussion on this list.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anna<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div>
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