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Equipotentiality envisages no fixed roles. But it would
seem to me that 'contributory roles' are likely to give
rise to some form of hierarchy, ie extended rights based
on a person's contribution. Also I see them rising out of
fear, fear that people will not contribute unless they
have some incentive, like social recognition. The
understanding that it is natural, inherent, to want to
contribute, is absent from this analysis.</blockquote>
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<div>a clarification in the context of anna's remark,</div>
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<div>I saw Equipotentiality first explained by Jorge Ferrer,
but did not further inquire into its prior origins.
Although social recognition is very important, and though
contributions often lead to social recognition, and though
I believe that contributions will be a primary generator
of social recognition in a commons-based society, I do not
hold that people only contribute out of fear, i.e.
negative extrinsic motivation. On the contrary, for about
ten years, I have insisted that peer production is mostly
passionate production, i.e. instrinsic, and
multi-motivational. The idea that contributions are
incentived by recognition is a neoliberal idea that I do
not hold.</div>
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Anna, In my experience, contributory roles are only going to be
invested in fixed hierarchies so far as a culture of dominance
prevails. I would agree that whether due to 'recognition' or not,
fear is a likely element of human relationships, not least of
equipotential relations in lived commons. Our history speaks and
expects, and if our formation includes life structured by threat as
some of mine was, then fear can be embedded, driving us towards
avoiding the re-stimulative triggers. <br>
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However so far as a culture, whether commons peer production or
otherwise succeeds in eliminating coercion and bullying, a tricky
mutual task, fear is more likely to be owned by a person as
belonging to them rather than caused by the culture they are in. <br>
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My experience of commoning is that recognition does have some value
but that 'reputation' and allied with it, 'presence', are key
organizers.� '<b>peer production is mostly passionate production,
i.e. instrinsic, and multi-motivational'.</b> This is certainly
how I have seen the peer production of civic accountability. <br>
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To step aside from this a little, I guess what Anna and I appear
share is a concern that embodiment and the empathic values and
commitments that go with it seem submerged here under quite a lot of
hyper/abstraction (psycommons - I plead guilty!). I don't see this
as a leadership issue Michel, more I suppose that contributions here
reflect an actual male dominant take on life, women get a taste of
this and find something else to do. Does this matter for the P2P
project? Well yes I think it matters a lot.<br>
Denis<br>
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