<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Denis, thanks for your comments. I'm not sure I share your optimism that the 'massive improvement in childcare <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">towards a more child-centred formation, with more present fathers, may be leading to a different, less domineering politics.'</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">However it would be helpful to expand on how we might deal with our inner tyrants. Power as you say is very entrenched into our everyday social relationships. Is there a possibility of seeing each other as essentially equal, in spite of differences in wealth, status, education, ability, beauty, all the standards we use to feel superior or inferior to each other, and many of these have objective measurements which validate such judgements, and thus feel like facts we can't avoid. We may prefer to believe that people are naturally unequal and therefore treating people as if they are equal is denying reality. All this is of course pertinent to the underlying philosophy of capitalism</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I would welcome your further thoughts on this.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Anna</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On 31 Aug 2015, at 08:28, Denis Postle &lt;<a href="mailto:denis.postle@gmail.com">denis.postle@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    Thanks for this Anna, I had missed the earlier messages. <br>
    <br>
    I agree that this list like most of the rest of the world, often
    seems in the hidden grip of patriarchy. e.g. the tit for tat listing
    of significant womanly voices. Yours is very welcome here.<br>
    <br>
    With one caveat, unless and until significant numbers of us,
    including women, deal with our inner tyrants 'dominance' as
    'natural' and 'normal' and even 'inevitable', will continue. The
    caveat, that as the psycho-historians have pointed out, the massive
    improvement in childcare towards a more child-centred formation,
    with more present fathers, may be leading to a different, less
    domineering politics. Let's hope so. The alternative means today's
    men (and women) giving up a devotion to power that tends to be
    deeply and often unawarely embedded. <br>
    <br>
    Denis<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/08/2015 09:20, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk">anna@shsh.co.uk</a>
      wrote:<br>
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          <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">My
              original intention in pointing out the lack of women
              contributors to this book was not to give rise to the game
              of 'tit for tat', in terms of equalising numbers of men
              and women, that is the direction the discussion seems to
              have taken.</span></div>
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          <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">My
              comments were motivated by the fear that these essays, and
              I haven't read them, express the deep schism with nature
              and reality of the patriarchal and dominator culture in
              which we live, which is taking us towards self
              extermination. That the lack of women contributors could
              be, and it was a question, pointing to ignoring the part
              women need to play in shaping our future.</span></div>
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          <div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Below
              Ted Goertzel writes:&nbsp;</span>
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                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px
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                  rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color:
                      rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Already today,<br>
                      gender is becoming a choice rather than something
                      biologically determined,<br>
                      presumably that will be more so as technology
                      improves. Will men be able to<br>
                      get surgery enabling them to get pregnant and give
                      birth?&nbsp; Or will that<br>
                      function be taken over by incubators?&nbsp; Will we be
                      able to have both male<br>
                      and female sexual organs, as some animals and
                      plants do?&nbsp;</span></font></blockquote>
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            I fear that technology is going in the direction of what is
            possible rather than what is desirable. And the thrill and
            excitement of wondrous achievements are disconnected from
            what it means to be truly ourselves, to feel whole and
            fulfilled.</div>
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          <div>Anna<br>
            <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
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            </span><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color:
                rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">On 29 Aug 2015, at 06:43,
                Dante-Gabryell Monson &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">----------
                  Forwarded message ----------<br>
                  From: "Weaver" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:silkenweaver@gmail.com">silkenweaver@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                  Date: 29 Aug 2015 01:24<br>
                  Subject: Re: Fwd for Ted Goertzel<br>
                  To: &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be">gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be</a>&gt;<br>
                  Cc:&nbsp;<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
                        0);">On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:00 PM, goertzel&nbsp;<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:goertzel@camden.rutgers.edu" target="_blank">goertzel@camden.rutgers.edu</a>&gt;</span>&nbsp;wrote:<br>
                      </span></font>
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                      padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255,
                          0);">It seems to me that both science fiction
                          and futurist writing in general are largely
                          male domains. There are some exceptions, such
                          as Charlotte Perkins Gilman's Herland</span></font></blockquote>
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                  <font color="#000000"><span style="background-color:
                      rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doris_Lessing" target="_blank">Doris Lessing</a>, also Nobel
                      prize laureate in literature (Canopus in Argos
                      series))<br>
                      <br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Mary
                      Shelly (Frankenstein)<br>
                      <br>
                      Ursula K. LeGuin (Left hand of Darkness!!! - a
                      groundbreaking work of feminist science fiction
                      and many others)<br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
                      C.J. Cherryh (Hugo Award for Down Below Station)<br>
                      <br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Connie
                      Willis ( 11 Hugo awards + 7 Nebula awards, more
                      than any other author ever!)<br>
                      <br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Just
                      to name a few SF giantesses and futurists... :-)
                      See also:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/dec/08/top10s.science.fiction.women" target="_blank">Gwyneth Jones's top 10 science
                        fiction by women writers</a><br>
                      <br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Not
                      so male domain after all...<br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"></span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br>
                    </span></font></div>
                <div class="gmail_extra"><font color="#000000"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Weaver<br>
                    </span></font></div>
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          On 29 Aug 2015, at 06:42, Dante-Gabryell Monson &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>&gt;
          wrote:<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message
              ----------<br>
              From: "goertzel" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:goertzel@camden.rutgers.edu">goertzel@camden.rutgers.edu</a>&gt;<br>
              Date: 28 Aug 2015 23:00<br>
              Subject: Re: Fwd for Ted Goertzel<br>
              To: &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be">gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be</a>&gt;<br>
              Cc: <br>
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              It seems to me that both science fiction and futurist
              writing in general are largely male domains. There are
              some exceptions, such as Charlotte Perkins Gilman's
              Herland.&nbsp; I don't know if Ayn Rand counts as a futurist,
              but she certainly has been influential, albeit with a very
              sexist view of the world. Perhaps men are more inclined to
              abstract thought not grounded so directly in experience.&nbsp;
              In The End of the Beginning we were trying to move to
              focus to the more immediate future which is challenging.<br>
              <br>
              The second most influential secular book of the 19th
              Century was Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy. But the
              most influential was Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's
              Cabin.&nbsp; I don't know if the difference between the two is
              suggestive of the difference between male and female
              writers generally, but it is suggestive.<br>
              <br>
              On 2015-08-28 13:59, Jayne Gackenbach wrote:<br>
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                Thanks Ted for your qualifiers which are excellent
                points - your<br>
                right re our book being more about self and yes women do
                drift to that<br>
                and further to be fair the VR and digital physics
                sections (changes<br>
                and views of reality) are all authored by men, but one -
                me -<br>
                anyway while i appreciate the popular press emphasis on
                gender<br>
                switching, the reality is that it is a very small
                percentage of the<br>
                population - maybe leading edge - hard to say - my point
                is more along<br>
                the lines of Wilber's take on gender differences in
                various<br>
                transpersonal practices - he comments that men want to
                stare at walls<br>
                while women want to hold and embrace and feel - this is
                of course a<br>
                bit simplistic but the dominance of male views in the
                whole idea of<br>
                transcending consciousness as a sort of silent stillness
                or blank or<br>
                pure consciousness is fine but the woman's engaged,
                active, and<br>
                intuitive perspective takes the experient in a different
                direction -<br>
                how is this related to the issues at hand here - perhaps
                in how the<br>
                questions are asked?<br>
                <br>
                Jayne<br>
                <br>
                ----- Original Message -----<br>
                From: "Francis Heylighen" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fheyligh@vub.ac.be" target="_blank">fheyligh@vub.ac.be</a>&gt;<br>
                To: "Global Brain Discussion" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be" target="_blank">gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be</a>&gt;<br>
                Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:07:22 AM GMT -07:00
                US/Canada Mountain<br>
                Subject: Fwd for Ted Goertzel<br>
                <br>
                [This was rejected by the mailing list, probably because
                Ted is<br>
                subscribed at the different address than the one he sent
                this from.]<br>
                <br>
                From: Ted Goertzel &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tedgoertzel@gmail.com" target="_blank">tedgoertzel@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                <br>
                "Boundaries of Self and Reality" sounds psychological,
                which may explain<br>
                why it interested more women.&nbsp; It is also about current
                reality, not the<br>
                Singularity or the Global Brain.&nbsp; So far as I know, no
                one, male or female,<br>
                has written about gender issues related to the
                Singularity. Ben wrote the<br>
                chapter on The Future of Human Nature in our book, but I
                don't recall that<br>
                he discussed gender differences.<br>
                <br>
                &nbsp; I think we might interest Humanity+ press on a book on
                gender and the<br>
                singularity if someone were to volunteer to organize
                one.&nbsp; Already today,<br>
                gender is becoming a choice rather than something
                biologically determined,<br>
                presumably that will be more so as technology improves.
                Will men be able to<br>
                get surgery enabling them to get pregnant and give
                birth?&nbsp; Or will that<br>
                function be taken over by incubators?&nbsp; Will we be able
                to have both male<br>
                and female sexual organs, as some animals and plants
                do?&nbsp; If our life span<br>
                is greatly extended, will we be able to have generations
                of children? What<br>
                would we like the Singularity to bring?<br>
                <br>
                On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Jayne Gackenbach &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jayneg@athabascau.ca" target="_blank">jayneg@athabascau.ca</a>&gt;<br>
                wrote:<br>
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                  As a woman who is editing a book for Elsevier along
                  the same lines as<br>
                  Ben's, if a bit narrower, called "Boundaries of Self
                  and Reality Online",<br>
                  we have 18 contributing chapters lined up of which
                  five are authored by<br>
                  women. Maybe women need to ask women.<br>
                  Jayne<br>
                  <br>
                  ----- Original Message -----<br>
                  From: "Ben Goertzel" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ben@goertzel.org" target="_blank">ben@goertzel.org</a>&gt;<br>
                  To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be" target="_blank">gbrain@listserv.vub.ac.be</a><br>
                  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:03:28 AM GMT -07:00
                  US/Canada Mountain<br>
                  Subject: Re: Book "The End of the Beginning" finally
                  published!<br>
                  <br>
                  On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Dante-Gabryell Monson<br>
                  &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  &gt; after forwarding this message about the book, I
                  was asked why there are<br>
                  only<br>
                  &gt; men within the author list ?<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Well, we made a web page for the book and sent out a
                  bunch of emails<br>
                  and social media announcements soliciting authors....&nbsp;
                  &nbsp;Adult males<br>
                  were the ones who responded by sending chapters....&nbsp;
                  &nbsp;The author list<br>
                  wasn't restricted to our chums, though many who
                  responded were in fact<br>
                  our chums...<br>
                  <br>
                  I did make an effort to get geographical/cultural
                  representation ...<br>
                  but it happened that of the African and Asian
                  transhumanists I<br>
                  solicited, the ones who responded favorably and wanted
                  to submit<br>
                  chapters, were both young males...<br>
                  <br>
                  So I think this really reduces to the question of why
                  the overall<br>
                  topic of the Singularity, transhumanism and advanced
                  tech appeals to<br>
                  men more than women....&nbsp; When I used to organize
                  transhumanist<br>
                  conferences, recruiting one or two good on-topic
                  female speakers was<br>
                  always something I had to explicitly strive for... I
                  generally found<br>
                  men more eager to push themselves forward and
                  advertise themselves in<br>
                  this way, than women...<br>
                  <br>
                  (Note, I am simply being empirical in the above
                  observations, not<br>
                  making any hypotheses about the causes....&nbsp; &nbsp;But I
                  note that when I<br>
                  was working in psychology for a while in the 90s,
                  things I organized<br>
                  attracted a high proportion of females....&nbsp; So this
                  doesn't seem to be<br>
                  an artifact of my or Ted's personal styles, but more
                  of the subject<br>
                  area...)<br>
                  <br>
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