<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br>Anna, yes sorry it appeared indeed as you say. But I replied Peter as drafts, of which i have had put somewhere more detailed lists and maps still needs to be organised ad shared. Will Work on it as soon as have some free time from 'work' and share on floss collaborative and prefigırative tools. </div><div><br></div><div>What i meant was, Syriza, Podemos, ngos so on has to be responsive to and activity wiling to show sincere support, instead of trying to capture such projects and processes by adopting usual tactics, like hiring certain activists who needs income, by providing assignments and In return asking them to recruit movements assets for their predetermined program but instead they are to be pushed by grassroots to be genuinely being collaborative; this can be done through open p2p transformative communication using techno political means being developed and adopted. Like lists, pads, live tvs, libraries, networks, so on.</div><div><br></div><div>This again still is only a very small part of thoughts and possibilities.</div><div><br></div><div>Orsan <br><br></div><div><br>On 09 Aug 2015, at 17:00, <a href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk">anna@shsh.co.uk</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">These are recommendations for a government that is attempting to develop a socialist society. This is not a process for global emancipation. But this does go someway, in my opinion, to respond to question raised about the role of the state. </span></div><div><br></div><div>Lebowitz stresses that <i>'at all times</i>' human beings are the hub, <i>'the subjects and products of their own activity.'</i> This twofold dynamic necessitates social ownership of the means of production so that workers are in control of decision making to provide for communal needs, and which also serves their own development. In so far as the state takes an authoritarian role, or there is hierarchy which interferes with the possibility of worker control, it will undermine the growth of emancipated individuals, and reproduce old conservative patterns.</div><div><br></div><div>Anna</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On 9 Aug 2015, at 14:12, Orsan Senalp <<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>replied below;</div><div><br>On 05 Aug 2015, at 20:13, <a href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk">anna@shsh.co.uk</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Excerpt: <b><i>This is a society centred on a conscious exchange of activity for communal needs and communal purposes. It is a society of new, rich human beings who develop in the course of producing <span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none; border: none;">with</span> others and <span style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; outline: none; border: none;">for</span> others; these are people for whom the desire to possess and the associated need for money (the real need that capitalism produces, Marx noted) wither away. We are describing a new world in which we have our individual needs, needs for our own “all-round development,” but where we are not driven by material incentives to act. It is a world in which our activity is its own reward (and is, indeed, “life’s prime want”) because we affirm ourselves as conscious social beings through that activity, a world in which we produce use-values for others and produce ourselves as part of the human family.</i></b></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">How is this accomplished?</span></div></blockquote><br><div>Syriza, Podemos, progressive local governments and civil forces as well as creative and productive communities need to join in constructing and building up commons productive, reproductive cultural and political transformatory spaces. Using local, national, regional, and global open spaces like WSF, commons events, mobilizations, connecting them directly to those who are perishing by crises, imperialist wars, and environmental catastrophes. Existing tools needs to be tried to get integrated in a mutually cooperative fashion through those spaces and mobilizations to each other. Decision making, communicator and practical solidarity mechanisms needs to be interconnected with conscious and pure efforts for the good of all. It is not at all difficult if perspective and collaborative learning and making processes and tools discussed and collectively organized all together, with all parties involved listening and positive towards each others, ready to change self and willing to help others. Core understanding and expectations of all parties needs to be open and shared, recognized mutually. </div><div><br></div><div>So a time table, list of list and tools, map of maps of struggle can be brought to gather and peers would be put in touch with each other towards harmonizing efforts and contributions. </div><div><br></div><div>Open value chain networks, wiki wikis, and meta document tools are crucial as well as real world gatherings, classes, circles linked to solidarity economies, open worker cooperatives. </div><div><br></div><div>This is only a very small piece of thought but I believe important to starting from. </div><div><br><div>Orsan</div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>