<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Propose to collect all email lists regarding commons, solidarity economy, and alternative building at the systemic (international, national and local) levels. And pass all these lists to all together with relevant dates and spaces of action, gathering and face to face exchange. Time to move forward. </div><div>Orsan </div><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On 20 jul. 2015, at 17:00, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Theodoros Karyotis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tkaryotis@gmail.com" target="_blank">tkaryotis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>The idea that society, under the guidance of a 'progressive' Syriza government can advance towards the plan C, is a dangerous fiction.</div><div>Syriza is a governmental force that is now implementing an extreme structural adjustment that will further compress the lower classes and will attack the commons.</div><div>Reluctantly, unwillingly? What difference does it make? The previous governments also hammered us with arguments that this is for the country's long-term benefit and that there is really no choice. Why should the same arguments be true if they are now uttered by the left-wing?</div></blockquote></div><br>I'm afraid I have to agree with Theodoros.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">It is true that I had believed, while being fully aware that the place of the commons was minimal in Syriza thinking, that it would have been a transformative party, a bit like the radical social democrats of a century ago, wanting to use parliamentary means for change. Not that I believe in such a program itself, but I believed that it would open a window of of opportunity for the forces of the commons with a chance to make substantial progress in advancing commons experiments beyond those already undertaken by the people themselves, and of which Theodore has been a party.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Needless to say,I was wrong, or at least, I have been proven wrong. Syriza will now indeed be tasked by carrying out an extremely radical and negative neoliberal program. In less than six months, they moved to the right of the most timid social democrats.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I think that this is not a question of 'blaming' particular people, but to recognize the real structures of power, and what they say about what can be done 'within the system'. And the answer is: very little. With this in mind, we should be cautious of having overblown expectations in Spain with Podemos in government for example.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Interesting to see right now would be what En Comu can do at the city level.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">This being said, the interest of the P2P Foundation to work around the commons with sectors active in the state apparatus, has never been a reason not to practice or advocate self-organisation, and we've always insisted that commons forces, while they should identify sympathetic people at all levels of society, should in no way use this not to advance the concrete organisation of peer production in daily life.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">In a way what we have to recognize today is that political parties are themselves a form of enclosure, no longer appropriate as the main form of social self-organization.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">This being said, what I have seen of assemblies, which on average do not last longer than 3 months according to various studies, are NOT the alternative.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Here is what we propose in organisational terms:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">I propose that in order to get started with the "Plan C", we should focus initially on getting concrete projects underway. Each of these "<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Commons_Projects&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Commons Projects (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Commons Projects</a>" should have an initiator or group of initiators in Greece, and some specific objective of seeking to solve a particular problem or group of problems. For the purpose of discussing such projects (including in regard to figuring out what projects are needed and how to get them started),</li></ul><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">create <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Commons_Transition_Circles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Commons Transition Circles (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Commons Transition Circles</a> for every town and region to be the advocates and agents of commons creation ; create a <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Coalition_of_Commons_Transition_Circles&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Coalition of Commons Transition Circles (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Coalition of Commons Transition Circles</a> to share and coordinate activities; members of these circles support the creation of the initiatives listed below.</li></ul><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">create <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Assemblies_of_the_Commons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Assemblies of the Commons (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Assemblies of the Commons</a> for every town and region, and per social domain of activity to unite the citizens with commons concerns ; create a <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Coalition_of_the_Assemblies_of_the_Commons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Coalition of the Assemblies of the Commons (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Coalition of the Assemblies of the Commons</a> to share and coordinate activities</li></ul><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">create <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Chambers_of_the_Commons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Chambers of the Commons (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Chambers of the Commons</a>, bound by social charters, for every town and region and for economic domains of activity; members are all entrepreneurial and productive entities responsible for the livelihood of the commoners ; create a <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Coalition_of_the_Chambers_of_the_Commons&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Coalition of the Chambers of the Commons (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Coalition of the Chambers of the Commons</a> to share and coordinate activities</li></ul><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">create <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Mutual_Aid_Networks" title="Mutual Aid Networks" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background:none">Mutual Aid Networks</a> in every town and region to assist citizens in their access to basic resources</li></ul><ul style="margin:0.3em 0px 0.5em 1.6em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.3999996185303px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">create a <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/index.php?title=Association_for_the_Advancement_of_the_Commons_Transition&action=edit&redlink=1" class="" title="Association for the Advancement of the Commons Transition (page does not exist)" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(165,88,88);background:none">Association for the Advancement of the Commons Transition</a> to coordinate policy proposals to be carried out by civic or public service entities in support of the transition</li></ul></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a> </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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