<div dir="ltr">personally, I believe that extractive models are inappropriate for the survival of our planet, and I would like to see corporate reform towards generative models,<div><br></div><div>this would suggest a double strategy:</div><div><br></div><div>* direct support for not-for-profit entities that directly co-produce commons and integrate negative externalities</div><div><br></div><div>* corporate reforms that limit the damage of negative externalities at for-profit corporations</div><div><br></div><div>Move towards commoning in extractive corporations is a progress, to the degree they can also affect the extractive purpose, but if they only serve intensified extraction, that would be problematic,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:11 PM, George Pór <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com" target="_blank">george.por@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Michel, would that be that there's no room for-profits in the Plan C or, more broadly, in the Commons Transitions? I doubt that that's what you meant,</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But if there's, wouldn't help if workers there too learn working without bosses?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">george</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">George Pór<br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:x-small">Fellow, Future Considerations</span><br></div><div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">Fellow of Royal Society fr the Arts</font></div></div><div><font face="garamond, serif" size="1">Visiting Professor, Management Center Innsbruck</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif" size="1">Founder and Co-editor of Enlivening Edge:</font></div><div><font face="garamond, serif" size="1"> News from Next-Stage Organizations</font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">researcher in collective intelligence and wisdom<br>evolutionary thinker, social architect, and </font><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:x-small"><a href="http://community-intelligence.com/integral-mentoring/" target="_blank">integral mentor</a></span></div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">to leaders and changemakers in business, government, and civil society </font></div><div><br></div><div><div><span style="font-size:x-small;font-family:garamond,serif">Email: </span><a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com" target="_blank"><font color="#1155cc" face="garamond, serif" size="1">george</font><font size="2">.</font><font size="1"><font face="garamond, serif">por@gmail.</font><font face="garamond, serif">com</font></font></a></div><div style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:x-small">Mobile: +44 7780 181 865</span></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">Skype: georgepor<br>LinkedIn: <a href="http://uk.linkedin.com/in/georgepor" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">uk.linkedin.com/in/georgepor</a></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><font face="garamond, serif">Twitter: @Technoshaman<br>Web: <a href="http://futureconsiderations.com/who/team/core/george/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://futureconsiderations.com/who/team/core/george/</a></font><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="garamond, serif" size="1">Publications: <a href="https://independent.academia.edu/GeorgeP%C3%B3r" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">https://independent.academia.edu/GeorgeP%C3%B3r</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 11:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">agreed, buurtzorg is different than a classic forprofit entity (with extractive I mean that, not mining <g>)<div><br></div><div>please go head by asking James,</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 4:04 PM, George Pór <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com" target="_blank">george.por@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>hi Michel,</div><span><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>i have not read the book but my impression is that it is exclusively focused on entities that have extractive practices ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px">I'm not sure. </span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px">Most of them have nothing to do the extensive extraction of natural resources, unless we include all organizations, who are using products or services whose the ingredients were ultimately extracted from the Earth, after a long chain of of intermediate companies</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px">For example. the book features a Buurtzorg, a self-managed community nursing organizations in the Netherlands. It's worth a read.</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif-light,sans-serif;line-height:21.3600006103516px">Btw, the "</span>Plan C for Advancing the Commons Transition in Greece" seems to be more important and urgent than ever, given the vacuum that <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33531845" target="_blank">rift</a> in the "institutions' may deepen.</div><div><br></div><div>Shouldn't we ask Quilligan to give Plan C a hand?</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>george</div></font></span></div></div></div><span><font color="#888888">
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