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<p><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT"><span style="font-size: 16px;">Quote below from 1999, N. Dyer-Witheford's Cyber-Marx (pp. 3-7), is more then worth to recall here:</span></font></p><p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">"Marx and Babbage
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">To establish some of the issues and conflicts central to this study it may be useful
for a moment to look back in the past, to the `actual' Babbage and Marx. In fact, the </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">opposition between Babbage--capitalist-computer-savant--and Marx--insurrectionary
revolutionary--which Gibson and Sterling propose is well founded in the historical
archive. Although Babbage's pioneer attempts to develop machine intelligence collapsed,
partly because of the limits of 19th century engineering, partly because of his managerial
conflicts with the craft-workers crucial to the production of the "engines," his influence
was far in excess of that normally associated with a failed inventor. As Simon Schaffer has
recently shown, Babbage was an eminent member of a coterie of radical utilitarian
thinkers, including such figures as the political economist Andrew Ure, the philosopher
Jeremy Bentham and his brother Samuel, and industrialists such as Marc Brunel and Henry
Maudsley, all dedicated to the scientific organisation of a nascent industrial capitalism.</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; vertical-align: 5pt;">3</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Indeed, Babbage himself wrote a book in this tradition of Ricardian political
economy --- On The Economy of Machinery and Manufactures--which in its argument for
the deskilling and fragmentation of labour is now recognised as anticipating Frederick
Taylor's system of "scientific management."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">4 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Babbage's search for mechanical means to
automate labour--both manual and mental--were the logical extension of the desire to
reduce and eventually eliminate from production a human factor whose presence could
only appear to the new industrialists as a source of constant indiscipline, error and menace.
And this in turn was only part of wider project of industrial planning which foresaw the
society-wide mobilisation of theoretical knowledge in the service of manufacture,
overseen by a "new class of managerial analysts," such as Babbage himself, who would
become "the supreme legislators of social welfare" and be rewarded with "newfangled life
peerages and political power."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">5 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">In such schemes, the mechanical maximisation of capitalist
profit mercifully coincided with the highest theological aspirations, for Babbage believed </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">that, "machine intelligence was all that was needed to understand and model the rule of
God, whether based on the miraculous works of the Supreme Intelligence or on his promise
of an afterlife."</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; vertical-align: 5pt;">6</span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="page" title="Page 7"><div class="layoutArea"><div class="column">
<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Marx, Babbage's contemporary, read his work. And what he found in its pages was
not evidence of the ineluctable march of progress, or an approach to divine wisdom, but a
strategy of class war. Writing in London, within living memory of the Luddite revolts that
had seen hundreds hanged or transported and vast sections of England subject to martial
law, Marx analysed the introduction of machinofacture as a means by which the
bourgeoisie strove to subjugate a recalcitrant proletariat. He alludes to Babbage's writings
in the great chapter of Capital --"Machinery and Large Scale Industry"--where he describes
how the factory owners' relentless transfer of workers' skills into technological systems
gives class conflict the form of a "struggle between worker and machine."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">7 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">He cites, as
evidence of the political economist's technological strategy, the work of Babbage's
colleague, Ure, who in the conclusion to his 1835 The Philosophy of Manufactures
declared "when capital enlists science into her service, the refractory hand of labour will
always be taught docility."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">8 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">"It would be possible" Marx observes, "to write a whole
history of the inventions made since 1830 for the sole purpose of providing capital with
weapons against working class revolt."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">9
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Later, in a section of volume three of Capital entitled "Economy Through
Inventions," Marx again footnotes Babbage. Commenting on capital's ever-increasing use
of machines, he notes that "mechanical and chemical discoveries" are actually the result of
a social co-operative process that he calls "universal labour":</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">Universal labour is all scientific work, all discovery and invention. It is
brought about partly by the co-operation of men now living, but partly also
by building on earlier work.</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; vertical-align: 5pt;">10</span></p><div class="page" title="Page 8"><div class="layoutArea"><div class="column">
<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">The fruits of this collective project are, Marx argues, generally appropriated by the "most
worthless and wretched kind of money-capitalists."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">11 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">But the ultimate source of their profit
is the "new developments of the universal labour of the human spirit and their social
applications by combined labour."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">12
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Marx had already discussed this tension between the social nature of
technoscientific development and its private expropriation by capital--in the final pages of
the notebooks for Capital, the Grundrisse. Here, he again makes passing reference to
Babbage as, in some of the most volcanically brilliant of all Marx's writing, he foretells the
future technological trajectory of capitalism.</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">13 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">At a certain point, Marx predicts, capital's
drive to dominate living labour through machinery will mean that "the creation of real
wealth comes to depend less on labour time and on the amount of labour employed" than on
"the general state of science and on the progress of technology."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">14 </span><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">The key factor in
production will become the social knowledge necessary for technoscientific innovation--
"general intellect."</span><span style="font-size: 8.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'; vertical-align: 5.000000pt">15
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Marx points in particular to two technological systems whose full development </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 12pt;">will mark the era of "general intellect"--automatic machinery, which, he predicts, will all
but eliminate workers from the factory floor, and the global networks of transport and
consolidation binding together the world market. With these innovations, Marx says,
capital will appear to attain an unassailable pinnacle of technoscientific power. However-
-and this is the whole point of Marx's analysis--inside this bourgeois dream lie the seeds of</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;"> </span><span style="font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT;">a bourgeois nightmare. For by setting in motion the powers of scientific knowledge and
social co-operation capital undermines the basis of its own rule. Automation, by massively
reducing the need for labour, will subvert the wage relations--the basic institution of
capitalist society. And the profoundly social qualities of the new technoscientific systems--
so dependent for their invention and operation on forms of collective, communicative, co-
operation--will overflow the parameters of private property. The more technoscience is
applied to production, the less sustainable will become the attachment of income to labour
and the containment of creativity within the commodity form. In the era of general intellect
"capital thus works towards its own dissolution as the form dominating production."</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; vertical-align: 5pt;">16</span></p></div></div></div>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">Babbage and Marx were alike prophets of today's information society. But their
prophecies are radically opposed--one promising the technoscientific consolidation of
market relations, the other the dissolution of that rule. Both spoke, as befits nineteenth
century men of science, in tones of confident certainty. After the catastrophes and surprises
of the twentieth century, such teleological certainty should no longer be available to any
one. Nevertheless, the predictions of both Babbage and Marx are alive and well today,
present as vectors of struggle, antagonistic potentialities meeting in a collision that I term
`the contest for general intellect.'
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family: 'TimesNewRomanPSMT'">But surely this must be a joke? Are not Marx and Marxism now so thoroughly
discredited, so fatally consigned to the dustbin of a history which has itself been
dispatched to postmodernist on-screen trash-cans, that any attempt to re-invoke their
memory can only be an exercise in speculative dreaming or historical nostalgia? Since
Marxism, assailed from all quarters, is generally deemed to have died the death of a
thousand cuts it is important, at the very outset, to take difference with this prevailing view." </span></p>
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</div><br></div><div>O.</div><div><br>On 19 jun. 2015, at 10:58, peter waterman <<a href="mailto:peterwaterman1936@gmail.com">peterwaterman1936@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Woops! I originally addressed this only to Michel. Pls forward to anyone I may have missed out!<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">P<br><br clear="all"></div><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><ol><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://snuproject.wordpress.com/2015/01/02/1987-e-reader-ed-by-peter-waterman-on-labour-social-movements-and-internationalism-the-old-internationalism-and-the-new/" target="_blank"></font></font></span></span></span></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><font color="#ff0000"><font size="1"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,178,107)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font color="#ff0000">2014. From Coldwar Communism to the Global Justice <span>Movement: Itinerary of a Long-Distance Internationalis<span>t. <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> </a><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism_to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/" target="_blank">http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/from_coldwar_communism _to_the_global_emancipatory_movement/</a><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">(Free). </span><br></font></span></span></span></font></font></font></li><li><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font color="#ff0000">2014. </font>Interface Journal Special (Co-Editor), December 2014.</span> <a href="http://www.interfacejournal.net/current/" target="_blank">'Social Movement Internationalisms'. (Free).</a></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><b><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><a href="http://www.interfacejournal.net/current/" target="_blank"><br></a></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span></b></li><li><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000">2014. <font color="#000000">'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), Peter Waterman (co-ed), <a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/the_movements_of_movements/" target="_blank"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">The Movement of Movements: </a></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000"><a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/the_movements_of_movements/" target="_blank"></font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Struggles for Other Worlds <font color="#000000">(Part I).</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"> (10 Euros).</span></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><b><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000"><br></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span></b></li><li><div style="text-align:left"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><span><span><font color="#ff0000">2012. </font>EBook:</span> <a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/recovering_internationalism/" target="_blank">Recovering
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">peter waterman</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:peterwaterman1936@gmail.com">peterwaterman1936@gmail.com</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:56 AM<br>Subject: Re: [NetworkedLabour] Internet Social Forum<br>To: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>><br><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">My two-cents worth in this exchange:<br><br></div><div style="font-size:small">Whereas it may not be only technology that defines us as human, it is the case that the subtraction of technology would return us to the stone age.<br><br></div><div style="font-size:small">I repeat a quote from the US left feminist, Donna Haraway, 'I'd rather be a cyborg than a goddess'. <br><br>I have not re-read Haraway since her 'Cyborg Manifesto' first came to my notice, a couple of decades ago. But it should surely be a point of reference for any serious consideration of ICT and social emancipation. It can be found here:<br><br><a href="http://www.egs.edu/faculty/donna-haraway/articles/donna-haraway-a-cyborg-manifesto/" target="_blank">http://www.egs.edu/faculty/donna-haraway/articles/donna-haraway-a-cyborg-manifesto/</a><br><br></div><div style="font-size:small">Best,<br><br></div><div style="font-size:small">P<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><ol><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://snuproject.wordpress.com/2015/01/02/1987-e-reader-ed-by-peter-waterman-on-labour-social-movements-and-internationalism-the-old-internationalism-and-the-new/" target="_blank"></font></font></span></span></span></span></font></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><font color="#ff0000"><font size="1"><span style="background-color:rgb(246,178,107)"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font color="#ff0000">2014. 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(Free).</a></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><b><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><a href="http://www.interfacejournal.net/current/" target="_blank"><br></a></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span></b></li><li><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000">2014. <font color="#000000">'The Networked Internationalism of Labour's Others', in Jai Sen (ed), Peter Waterman (co-ed), <a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/the_movements_of_movements/" target="_blank"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">The Movement of Movements: </a></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000"><a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/the_movements_of_movements/" target="_blank"></font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Struggles for Other Worlds <font color="#000000">(Part I).</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"> (10 Euros).</span></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span><b><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000"><font color="#000000"><br></font></font></span></span></span></font></span></font></font></span></b></li><li><div style="text-align:left"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font size="1"><span><span><font color="#ff0000">2012. </font>EBook:</span> <a href="http://www.into-ebooks.com/book/recovering_internationalism/" target="_blank">Recovering
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Ariel Salleh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arielsalleh7@gmail.com" target="_blank">arielsalleh7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Michel, it is profoundly telling that you believe <font color="#5e30eb">”the use of technology is what defines being human”.</font></div></blockquote></div><br>yes indeed, I don't think that before the use of stone tools, humanity was that different from other primates .. many other animals use tools, but none develop it so crucially as humanity, hence, the absurdity of 'anti-technology' stances, as the discussion can only be, 'what technology, and for whom'. One legitimate stance is to 'halt' technology (more or less), as a conscious choice, to protect community for example, as with the Amish. Or to actively return to a earlier stage, as the neoprimitivists want, and while it is true some of them (john zerzan I believe) see the 'original fall' in the technology of language, it seems to me a very absurd proposition to attempt to abolish it.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Michel<br><br clear="all"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a href="http://commonstransition.org" target="_blank">http://commonstransition.org</a> </div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br><br><a href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank"></a>Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br><br>#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br></div></div></div></div>
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