<div dir="ltr">full agree that greece needs support, but I would also ask the people there on the ground what kind of support they would like to see,<div><br></div><div>saw from orsan that 12,000 turkish people are mobilizing to go rebuild Kobane, is that correct Orsan ?<br><div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:11 AM, George Pór <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com" target="_blank">george.por@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">How about international commoner brigades <div>to support whatever is needed </div><div>for the peer-to-peer renewal of the Greek economy and society?</div><div><br></div><div>That could be our response to the attempt of the international capital to squeeze the life out from an alternative to its reign...<br><div><br></div><div>george</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">George Pór<br></font></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:x-small">Fellow, Future Considerations</span><br></div><div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">Founder of CommunityIntelligence Ltd.</font></div></div><div><font face="garamond, serif" size="1">Visiting Professor, Management Center Innsbruck</font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">researcher in collective intelligence and wisdom<br>evolutionary thinker, social architect, and </font><span style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:x-small"><a href="http://community-intelligence.com/integral-mentoring/" target="_blank">integral mentor</a></span></div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">to leaders and changemakers in business, government, and civil society </font></div><div><br></div><div><font size="1" face="garamond, serif">Skype: georgepor<br>LinkedIn: <a href="http://uk.linkedin.com/in/georgepor" target="_blank">uk.linkedin.com/in/georgepor</a></font></div><div><font size="1"><font face="garamond, serif">Twitter: @Technoshaman<br>Web: <a href="http://futureconsiderations.com/who/team/core/george/" target="_blank">http://futureconsiderations.com/who/team/core/george/</a></font></font></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Mark Jagdev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markjagdev@gmail.com" target="_blank">markjagdev@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">I think many would back a campaign to make this happen. I would donate and we all know others that would also.<br>Mark</div></div><div dir="ltr"><hr><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">From: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" target="_blank">Örsan Şenalp</a></span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Sent: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">12/02/2015 16:54</span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">To: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">Michel Bauwens</a>; <a href="mailto:rverzola@gn.apc.org" target="_blank">Roberto Verzola</a></span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Cc: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com" target="_blank">Vasilis Kostakis</a>; <a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>; <a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation</a>; <a href="mailto:commoning@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">Commoning</a>; <a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com" target="_blank">Eleftherios Kosmas</a>; <a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com" target="_blank">George Papanikolaou</a>; <a href="mailto:commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de" target="_blank">Commoning List</a></span><br><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Subject: </span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re: [commoning] [Commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitelyendorses commons strategy before parliament</span><br><br></div>This is the high time for forming the rapid deployment force. Can't we<br>call all pool rapid funds, coop-funding, crowdfunding, self-funding...<br>so on to make this happen. If not now, when?<br><br>Orsan<br><br>Michel Bauwens schreef op 12-2-2015 om 17:45:<br>> there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ...<br>> <br>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <<a href="mailto:rverzola@gn.apc.org" target="_blank">rverzola@gn.apc.org</a>><br>> wrote:<br>> <br>>> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in<br>>> Greece...<br>>><br>>> Roberto Verzola<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700<br>>> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <<a href="mailto:whoeschele@commonsabundance.net" target="_blank">whoeschele@commonsabundance.net</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> Dear Friends,<br>>>><br>>>> Very interesting discussion!<br>>>><br>>>> I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p<br>>>> concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in<br>>>> touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be<br>>>> useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)<br>>>> there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere<br>>>> (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that<br>>>> break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are<br>>>> actual models that can be implemented and there are people both<br>>>> inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?<br>>>><br>>>> It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek<br>>>> negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new<br>>>> approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a<br>>>> resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results<br>>>> for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would<br>>>> then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in<br>>>> this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there<br>>>> are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear<br>>>> from you what you think about this.<br>>>><br>>>> By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,<br>>>> when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is<br>>>> that personal connection!<br>>>><br>>>> Best wishes,<br>>>> Wolfgang<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br>>>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely<br>>>> endorses commons strategy before parliament<br>>>> From: George Papanikolaou <<a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com" target="_blank">georgepapani@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm<br>>>> To: Eleftherios Kosmas <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com" target="_blank">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>><br>>>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <<a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com" target="_blank">kostakis.b@gmail.com</a>>,<br>>>> <a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>, Commoning<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:commoning@lists.commons-institut.org" target="_blank">commoning@lists.commons-institut.org</a>>,<br>>>> "<a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>>,<br>>>> Commoning List <<a href="mailto:commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de" target="_blank">commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de</a>><br>>>><br>>>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation.<br>>>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2<br>>>> (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an<br>>>> important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to<br>>>> the commons ideas.<br>>>><br>>>> Best regards<br>>>> George<br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com" target="_blank">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished<br>>>> message.<br>>>><br>>>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to<br>>>> translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and<br>>>> linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not<br>>>> be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)<br>>>><br>>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>>>><br>>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>>>> commons based collective like <a href="http://hackerspace.gr" target="_blank">hackerspace.gr</a> and a strong supporter<br>>>> of the commons personally and in public is the following.<br>>>><br>>>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with<br>>>> a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events<br>>>> happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and<br>>>> now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the<br>>>> collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually<br>>>> spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in<br>>>> the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the<br>>>> deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by<br>>>> addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social<br>>>> security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in<br>>>> Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced<br>>>> forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a<br>>>> strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which<br>>>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,<br>>>> optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the<br>>>> Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of<br>>>> pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for<br>>>> us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity<br>>>> and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of<br>>>> different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that<br>>>> these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are<br>>>> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by<br>>>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in<br>>>> Greece and worldwide. Thank you.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> Greek speakers could find the original here.<br>>>><br>>>> <a href="http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041" target="_blank">http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041</a><br>>>><br>>>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com" target="_blank">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr<br>>>> Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind<br>>>> that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek<br>>>> language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am<br>>>> not a trained translator)<br>>>><br>>>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>>>><br>>>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>>>> commons based collective like <a href="http://hackerspace.gr" target="_blank">hackerspace.gr</a> and a strong supporter<br>>>> of the commons.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote: understood Vasilis,<br>>>><br>>>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,<br>>>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when<br>>>> conditions are right ..<br>>>><br>>>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on<br>>>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer<br>>>> term change,<br>>>><br>>>> Michel<br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com" target="_blank">kostakis.b@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Michel,<br>>>><br>>>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find<br>>>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.<br>>>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was<br>>>> what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George<br>>>> Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he<br>>>> highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south<br>>>> can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,<br>>>> George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the<br>>>> situation and give us time for experimentation".<br>>>><br>>>> Let's see...<br>>>><br>>>> v.<br>>>><br>>>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens<br>>>> <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote: This is very important news:<br>>>><br>>>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?<br>>>> especially in english ?<br>>>><br>>>> see:<br>>>><br>>>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his<br>>>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new<br>>>> bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global<br>>>> orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable<br>>>> development."<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>>>> <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a><br>>>><br>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>>>><br>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>>>><br>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis<br>>>><br>>>> Senior Research Fellow<br>>>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance<br>>>><br>>>> Research Director<br>>>> P2P Lab: <a href="http://p2plab.org" target="_blank">http://p2plab.org</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>>>> <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a><br>>>><br>>>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>>>> <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>>>><br>>>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>>>><br>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list<br>>>> <a href="http://www.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://www.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>>>> <a href="https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" target="_blank">https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> <a href="http://elkosmas.gr" target="_blank">http://elkosmas.gr</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> <a href="http://elkosmas.gr" target="_blank">http://elkosmas.gr</a><br>>>><br>>>> ------------------------------------------------<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> Commoning mailing list<br>>>> Commons-Institut e.V. 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