<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dear all,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">With the chance of the Greek vice-president's statement, the RNS asked me to write a short article about the Syriza and the Commons. Based on some recent posts of mine at the P2Pf blog, the following text might be of interest: <br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Syriza’s new plan for economic development: a Commons-oriented economy? : <a href="http://nurkseschool.tumblr.com/post/110811291631/syrizas-new-plan-for-economic-development-a">http://nurkseschool.tumblr.com/post/110811291631/syrizas-new-plan-for-economic-development-a</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">By the way, this year the CommonsFest is taking place in Athens. See more: <a href="http://commonsfest.info/en/" target="_blank">http://commonsfest.info/en/</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"> Best,<br><br>Vasilis<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 February 2015 at 11:28, Örsan Şenalp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" target="_blank">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">There are comrades in the EP, like Tommaso Fattori who can make the<br>
link best, in my opinon, between the commons and syriza. we could may<br>
be ask them?<br>
orsan<br>
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On 12 February 2015 at 09:55, George Pór <<a href="mailto:george.por@gmail.com">george.por@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Roberto Verzola <<a href="mailto:rverzola@gn.apc.org">rverzola@gn.apc.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in<br>
>> Greece...<br>
>><br>
> Maybe with a focus on fighting for and working with a Partner State, in<br>
> collaboration with our Greek and Spanish commoner friends and<br>
> commons-supporters in Syriza and Podemos...<br>
><br>
> george<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700<br>
>> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <<a href="mailto:whoeschele@commonsabundance.net">whoeschele@commonsabundance.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > Dear Friends,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Very interesting discussion!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p<br>
>> > concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in<br>
>> > touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be<br>
>> > useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1)<br>
>> > there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere<br>
>> > (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that<br>
>> > break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are<br>
>> > actual models that can be implemented and there are people both<br>
>> > inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek<br>
>> > negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new<br>
>> > approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a<br>
>> > resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results<br>
>> > for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would<br>
>> > then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in<br>
>> > this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there<br>
>> > are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear<br>
>> > from you what you think about this.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager,<br>
>> > when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is<br>
>> > that personal connection!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best wishes,<br>
>> > Wolfgang<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > -------- Original Message --------<br>
>> > Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely<br>
>> > endorses commons strategy before parliament<br>
>> > From: George Papanikolaou <<a href="mailto:georgepapani@gmail.com">georgepapani@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm<br>
>> > To: Eleftherios Kosmas <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> > Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <<a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com">kostakis.b@gmail.com</a>>,<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>, Commoning<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:commoning@lists.commons-institut.org">commoning@lists.commons-institut.org</a>>,<br>
>> > "<a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net">tapas@lists.p2pfoundation.net</a>>,<br>
>> > Commoning List <<a href="mailto:commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de">commoning@lists.wissensallmende.de</a>><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Eleftherios thank you for the translation.<br>
>> > Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2<br>
>> > (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an<br>
>> > important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to<br>
>> > the commons ideas.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best regards<br>
>> > George<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished<br>
>> > message.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to<br>
>> > translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and<br>
>> > linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not<br>
>> > be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>
>> > commons based collective like <a href="http://hackerspace.gr" target="_blank">hackerspace.gr</a> and a strong supporter<br>
>> > of the commons personally and in public is the following.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with<br>
>> > a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events<br>
>> > happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and<br>
>> > now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the<br>
>> > collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually<br>
>> > spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in<br>
>> > the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the<br>
>> > deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by<br>
>> > addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social<br>
>> > security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in<br>
>> > Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced<br>
>> > forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a<br>
>> > strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which<br>
>> > would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people,<br>
>> > optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the<br>
>> > Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of<br>
>> > pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for<br>
>> > us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity<br>
>> > and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of<br>
>> > different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that<br>
>> > these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are<br>
>> > those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by<br>
>> > the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in<br>
>> > Greece and worldwide. Thank you.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Greek speakers could find the original here.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041" target="_blank">http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I hope this could help a bit on the conversation.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:elkosmas@gmail.com">elkosmas@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr<br>
>> > Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind<br>
>> > that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek<br>
>> > language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am<br>
>> > not a trained translator)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements"<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a<br>
>> > commons based collective like <a href="http://hackerspace.gr" target="_blank">hackerspace.gr</a> and a strong supporter<br>
>> > of the commons.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote: understood Vasilis,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management,<br>
>> > and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when<br>
>> > conditions are right ..<br>
>> ><br>
>> > so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on<br>
>> > the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer<br>
>> > term change,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Michel<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:kostakis.b@gmail.com">kostakis.b@gmail.com</a>> wrote: Michel,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find<br>
>> > anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference.<br>
>> > However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was<br>
>> > what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George<br>
>> > Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he<br>
>> > highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south<br>
>> > can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this,<br>
>> > George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the<br>
>> > situation and give us time for experimentation".<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Let's see...<br>
>> ><br>
>> > v.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote: This is very important news:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ?<br>
>> > especially in english ?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > see:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his<br>
>> > speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new<br>
>> > bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global<br>
>> > orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable<br>
>> > development."<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
>> > <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>
>> > <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Dr. Vasilis Kostakis<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Senior Research Fellow<br>
>> > Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Research Director<br>
>> > P2P Lab: <a href="http://p2plab.org" target="_blank">http://p2plab.org</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:<br>
>> > <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> -<br>
>> > <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: <a href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" target="_blank">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a><br>
>> ><br>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Dr. Vasilis Kostakis<br><br>Senior Research Fellow<br>Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance <br><br>Research Director<br>P2P Lab: <a href="http://p2plab.org/" target="_blank">http://p2plab.org</a><br></div></div></div></div>
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