<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi June,</div><div><br></div><div>This is Orsan. </div><div><br></div><div>If you like to check it out, this is the cooperative funding call just renewed for the second networked labour event, this time to be designed and done truly p2p way, in Tunis WSF: </div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.scoop.it/t/global-wikistrike-11-11-11/p/4036918362/2015/02/09/crowdfunding-campaign-for-the-2nd-networked-labour-event-in-tunis-wsf-global-square?hash=e0fc417c-d4de-4f42-9641-a6225637ed03">http://www.scoop.it/t/global-wikistrike-11-11-11/p/4036918362/2015/02/09/crowdfunding-campaign-for-the-2nd-networked-labour-event-in-tunis-wsf-global-square?h</a><a href="http://www.scoop.it/t/global-wikistrike-11-11-11/p/4036918362/2015/02/09/crowdfunding-campaign-for-the-2nd-networked-labour-event-in-tunis-wsf-global-square?hash=e0fc417c-d4de-4f42-9641-a6225637ed03">ash=e0fc417c-d4de-4f42-9641-a6225637ed03</a></div><div><br></div><div>the link will take you a blog, where you could find almost all projects I do engage with others. One of them is a person to person, worker to worker self-learning ecosystem/cooperative, where I do collaborate with Anna, and others. Would be lovely to get your input. </div><div>best, </div><div>Orsan</div><div><br>On 9 feb. 2015, at 14:44, P2P Foundation mailing list <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Dear someone?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; " class=""><span class="" style="">This is very interestingly said. Indeed I agree that were these deep social/emotional "group dynamics" as you say, excavated, validated, and worked on explicitly, the positive power for </span>truly meaningful<span style="background-color: transparent; " class=""> work and change in our world, would be amazing. Not least because do this
part of the work well, and understanding it is work that </span><span style="background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; " class="">has to be done simultaneously</span><span style="background-color: transparent; " class=""> to make meaningful change in any <span style="font-style: italic;">truly</span> transformative and lasting way, is much more enjoyable and thus much more appealing for all to join in to do, together. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: italic; " class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; " class=""><span class="" style="">This relates to what I call the "Human Pleasure Vector of Communication" (HPVofC) concept. The
more you actually do this deeper, essential human work, the more the actual interaction and communication becomes pleasurable for all involved, and makes the rest of the "hard work" far more meaningful, rewarding and literally, more of a joy to do. People do indeed find all sorts of positive energy that can now, clearing these channels of dissension and pain in human relations, flow so much more freely and powerfully.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style="">But I didn't see any signature from whom this key understanding, was posted by?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class="">Appreciated it, regardless,</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class="">June</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> P2P Foundation mailing list <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> "<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> <br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 9, 2015 1:11 PM<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Subject:</span></b> Re: [P2P-F] integrative approach needed for social change<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv7159656432" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">this logic of conscious and unconscious exclusion, is a sort of at the DNA of hierarchical and institutional power sharing
and subordination of self, to those above you and subordinate those coming later then you.. in the network. so the social group dynamic flows accordingly. To be honest these dynamics I find vast of time and energy.. some times i feel it is necessary to work on it, and sometimes I flee from there. but today, in this conjuncture, it is both easier and obligation to work on these tendencies. to transform cooperations, state apparatus, schools, unions, foundations, associations, cooperatives, and so on, for taking the transition ideas to critical mass level. Why it is easier is the p2p communication, with conscious team work you can design a strategy to penetrate and swarm to take down the pillars of any targeted traditional institutions from inside, outside, top and bottom. so it can be possible to including those excluded, by bypassing the cadre of the institution is possible. i like to argue and think that institutionalization of this kind of
un-institutionalization is potentially releasing invaluable and immeasurable social power that are kept enclosed and entropized destroying individuals and communities for millennia already.. it is time to unleash them all..</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" id="yiv7159656432yqt14414" style=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On 7 feb. 2015, at 12:30, P2P Foundation mailing list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" class="" style="">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""></div></blockquote></div></div><div class="" id="yiv7159656432yqt37854" style=""><div class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><span class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style=""><div class="" style="">I agree with you Michel. In my own experience I participate in a sharing group which styles itself sacred activists. It has no particular agenda. Someone wanted to join who found climbing the stairs to the meeting room difficult. She proposed looking for another space with disabled access. Others objected that they really liked the room where we are meeting. Personally I was shocked that they would not consider moving to include this person, and I did consider leaving the group. But I had to accept that to them inclusivity was not a priority. And I have continued to attend the group which I still find very rewarding.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">At the same time I have maintained a connection with the person who was excluded, and Inclusivity is still important to me. June and I may continue to 'nudge' while really
appreciating and supporting the work that you do, and also appreciating your responses and the opportunity for this discussion.</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">(I will try to always remember to sign so that you know who this is from.)</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Anna</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">On 7 Feb 2015, at 09:43, P2P Foundation mailing list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" class="" style="">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">I am all for an
integrative approach, and it is also how I work, but not from a position of, it's all or nothing, but rather from a position of, how can we nudge improvements in every integrated aspect ..</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">we organized the huge ICC and ECC conferences, which in my eyes and those of many others, where important moments for commons convergence,</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">but I remember, George Por took a position which I relate to that of Anna, i.e. he was absolutely convinced that integral faciliation was needed .. the reality is, no matter how many times we proposed it, the majority just didn't want it, so you proceed to organize with how people are, not how you want them to be ..</div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><<anna:<div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Thanks for this response. What I sense is that it's OK to pursue this topic as long as it is kept separate from the efforts focussed on political and theoretical change. Yet my point is that this is absolutely intrinsic to what p2p is about, the inner and outer aspects of the same thing. Nothing needs to be added, just allowing what is already there to be revealed, and not putting energy into resisting it.</span><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Focussing on external achievements, as in the example of Podemos you gave, can lead to frustration and despair. Unless these feelings are addressed they can sabotage movement solidarity. Likewise the joy and excitement of sharing and collaboration are an integral part of our
evolving humanity.</span><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">?Without developing the inner culture of the human being, we cannot develop a sustainable future.? E F Schumacher</span><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">The inspiring review of Chris Dixon's book by Garces points to the same need to include a more wholistic consciousness in our relationships. Otto Scharma makes the same point. 'We might say it this way: The success of our actions as change-makers does not depend on what we do or how we do it, but on the inner place from which we operate.'</span><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Anna</span><br clear="none" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div>-- <br clear="none" class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" class="" style="">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a> </div><div class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""></div>P2P Foundation: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" class="" style="">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" class="" style="">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style=""><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation" class="" style=""></a>Updates: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" class="" style="">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" class="" style="">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br clear="none" class="" style=""><br clear="none" class="" style="">#82 on the (En)Rich list: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/" class="" style="">http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/</a> <br clear="none" class="" style=""></div></div>
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