<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" style=""><span class="" style="">Well Michel, we are in perfect agreement there! </span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span class="" style=""><br></span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span class="" style="">My point is always that if there is <span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">ever</span> going to be a chance to improve on the beginning in these missing ways, they certainly need to be acknowledged and validated, along with the important celebration of what is truly new and exciting in that
win.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style="">And sorry, I should remember to sign these so here's the whole thing! :-)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span style="background-color: transparent; ">June</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span
style="background-color: transparent; "><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span style="background-color: transparent; ">June Gorman,
Educator and Educational Theorist</span><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; " class=""><span class="" style=""></span></div><div class="" style=""><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Co-founder,
Transformative Education Forum<<a href="http://www.tef-global.org/" class="" style=""><span style="color:#6B006D;mso-fareast-language:JA" class="">http://www.tef-global.org/</span></a>><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Education Advisor,
UN SafePlanet Campaign <<a href="http://www.safepla.net/" class="" style=""><span style="color:#6B006D;mso-fareast-language:JA;text-decoration:none;text-underline:
none" class="">http://www.safepla.net/</span></a>><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Board Project
Director for Outreach, International Model United Nations Association<<a href="http://imuna.org/" class="" style=""><span style="color:#6B006D;mso-fareast-language:JA" class="">http://imuna.org/</span></a>><o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Steering Committee,
(UNESCO/Global Compact) K-12 Sector for Sustainability Education <<a href="http://www.uspartnership.org/main/view_archive/1" class="" style=""><span style="color:
#6B006D;mso-fareast-language:JA;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">http://www.uspartnership.org/main/view_archive/1</span></a>> )<o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Member, UN Education
Caucus for Sustainable Development<o:p class="" style=""></o:p></div>
<div class="" style="">Member, UN Commons
Cluster<span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Bookman Old Style";mso-fareast-language:JA" class=""> <o:p class="" style=""></o:p></span></div>
<div class="" style=""><span style="font-family:"Bookman Old Style";mso-bidi-font-family:
"Bookman Old Style";mso-fareast-language:JA" class=""><o:p class="" style=""> </o:p></span></div>
<!--EndFragment--><div></div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div> <div style="font-family: bookman old style, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" class=""> <div dir="ltr" class="" style=""> <hr size="1" class="" style=""> <font size="2" face="Arial" class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight:bold;" class="">From:</span></b> P2P Foundation mailing list <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org><br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">To:</span></b> p2p-foundation <p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org> <br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 5, 2015 2:41 PM<br class="" style=""> <b class="" style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"
class="">Subject:</span></b> [P2P-F] no women in syriza<br class="" style=""> </font> </div> <div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""><div id="yiv6203133969" class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style="">unfortunately, the collective view seems to filter out the name of the person sending the messages, so not sure whom I'm responding to, June I guess ?<div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">just to clarify, my comments are not related to supporting the fact that there are not enough women in the government, I strongly deplore that</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">my comments are a response to the demand that alternative movements should fully integrate the demands of an idealized form of awareness and be perfect in that sense ...</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Syriza has other weaknesses that I deplore .. it's commons
orientation is weak, it's ecological orientation is very weak (I heard), and the lack of female representation is another ..</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">this being said, should we stop critically rejoicing because of it. My answer is no, critical support is needed, pointing out the above and other weaknesses is part of that support ..</div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style="">Michel<br class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div><div class="" style=""><<<span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 06:29:10 -0800</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">From: P2P Foundation mailing list</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"
class=""> <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">></span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Subject: Re: [P2P-F] [NetworkedLabour] [Networkedlabour] Another</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""> Politics - After Syriza</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">To: "</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org"
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">"</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""> <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">>, Anna Harris <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">anna@shsh.co.uk</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">></span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Cc: "</span><a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">"</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""> <</span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">></span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Message-ID:</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""> <</span><a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:1423146550.79364.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:1423146550.79364.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">1423146550.79364.YahooMailNeo@web184705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">></span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Thank you, Michel and Vasilis for getting the actual clarification data. I had meant the actual "ministers" though it is good to know that women are there to help out as "deputy ministers". That is more sincerely meant, than it might sound.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;"
class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">But no Michel, I like you too much and value the work you do with the P2P Foundation too much, to let you or the P2P Foundation off the hook as accepting that asking for more female (and other previously left out "others") representation in the leadership of a modern industrialised "new-vision" Commons-oriented government in the year 2015, is too "radical" an ask. Again, that makes no "Commons sense" to me and shouldn't to anyone.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">I think my "support" (and Anna's clearly it seemed to me) is actually given rather than withdrawn in these very comments, warning that not addressing these underlying "misses", certainly in not admitting and validating them, is the very
reality-most-likely to-derail any hoped for true value-systems change that all sustainable political-economic systems rest on or certainly fall on, ultimately.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Why it is seen as "either/or" and oppositional to even raise these warning flags in order to easily, and it is quite easily done, rectify them or put it on the agenda to rectify them down the line, seems to me a very old paradigm to work from. I certainly understand not letting the "perfect be the enemy of the good" when there are so many real "enemies", but as my last comment on this, this would seem to fall more under</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">"but we are practicing what we preach in the p2p
foundation, with difficulty, with problems, but attempting it nevertheless" -- Michel</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">In essence, it is this discussion that makes me feel that's true, not in not having it at all.</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">Really supportively meant, Michel,</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class="">June</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px;" class=""><div class="" style=""><br class="" style=""></div>-- <br class="" style=""><div class="" style=""><div dir="ltr" class="" style=""><div class="" style="">Check out the Commons Transition Plan here
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