<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Örsan Şenalp</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:40 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Networkedlabour] labour-within-capital and peer producers unite?<br>To: "<a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a>><br>
<br><br>forgot to add three resources I had to suggest which are helpful in<br>
drawing the lines where networked labour can be linked to devided and<br>
ruled forms of labour:<br>
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Dickens' Global Shift:<br>
<a href="http://www.urban.ecnu.edu.cn/library/Global%20Shift%202011.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.urban.ecnu.edu.cn/library/Global%20Shift%202011.pdf</a><br>
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Theorising and analysing digital labour: From global value chains to<br>
modes of production by Christian Fuchs:<br>
<a href="http://polecom.org/index.php/polecom/article/view/19" target="_blank">http://polecom.org/index.php/polecom/article/view/19</a><br>
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New Mode of Capitalist Production Organization---Research on<br>
Modularity Production Network<br>
<a href="http://netglobalcapitalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/abstract-of-chen-shuoyings-book.pdf" target="_blank">http://netglobalcapitalism.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/abstract-of-chen-shuoyings-book.pdf</a><br>
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On 2 September 2014 11:29, Örsan Şenalp <<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Bob I feel this exchange between you and Michel has a great potential.<br>
> In addition to role of commons cooperatives, with revival of<br>
> cooperativism, as you both agree, cooperative-Ursula K. Leguin's kind<br>
> of unionism has to be the part of the same revival to take labour our<br>
> of capital. I guess it is difficult to envisage how would this happen.<br>
> In my opinion this should unify several ideas, to be linked to new<br>
> cooperativism, floss/p2p/commons culture and communities, and new<br>
> emancipatory unionism. embedded in multi level class struggles and<br>
> confrontations with the state apparatus as well. so we were working on<br>
> this 'how', and i think, as Michel agrees, creation of open or p2p<br>
> value networks has to have a key position. That is why I was trying to<br>
> figure out how to think and link GNUnion, saysus, p2p foundation,<br>
> networked labour... so on to your work with<br>
> <a href="http://mikorizal.org/software.html" target="_blank">http://mikorizal.org/software.html</a> and sensorica. I think the software<br>
> you are creating can be very useful for scaling up what Michel and<br>
> comrades from Spain calls phyles, but as well as solidarity economies.<br>
> if people can see where and what is needed, how much, what ways to do<br>
> the open/p2p exchange -trade hacking- it would be an amazing<br>
> contribution for all local nodes involved. local applications for food<br>
> banks, hacker spaces, squatters, makers... this is a base tool for a<br>
> parallel economy beyond the state. I wonder for instance if it is<br>
> feasible to test it with CIC in Spain? any way if you like too would<br>
> be great to exchange and talk about this. for GNUnino and Saysus idea<br>
> it can be very useful to bring this value network to those labour<br>
> struggling in capital's yoke.. o.<br>
><br>
> On 14 August 2014 12:43, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Bob Haugen <<a href="mailto:bob.haugen@gmail.com">bob.haugen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I also think the P2P Foundation is a great resource, and am working<br>
>>> mostly with peer producers and their livelyhood organizations myself<br>
>>> right now. But I don't think that is the only part of the rising<br>
>>> forces emerging from the current situation. If, for example, any<br>
>>> organizations in Detroit or Jackson asked us to work with them, we<br>
>>> would be there as fast as we could pedal.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks Bob, I would refer to the above in my reply.<br>
>><br>
>> and my answer is this:<br>
>><br>
>> * current peer production is not a full mode of production, as it cannot<br>
>> sustain its own livelihoods and self-reproduction<br>
>><br>
>> * but the revival of mere cooperativism, however genuine the motivation in<br>
>> the beginning, will lead to the same process of adaptation as in the past,<br>
>><br>
>> this is why what is needed is a convergence of both model, i.e. peer<br>
>> producers starting to create their own vehicles; and cooperatives starting<br>
>> to generate commons<br>
>><br>
>> as I have argued it here at<br>
>><br>
>> what is needed between the accumulation of the commons and the accumulation<br>
>> of capital, is exactly cooperative accumulation,<br>
>> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/From_the_Communism_of_Capital_to_a_Capital_for_the_Commons" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/From_the_Communism_of_Capital_to_a_Capital_for_the_Commons</a><br>
>><br>
>> But, if we want to avoid cooperative competition as a mere part of<br>
>> capitalism, we need commons -producing cooperatives , as outlined here:<br>
>> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age</a><br>
>><br>
>> Part of this strategy is to move from an exclusive focus on immaterial<br>
>> commons coupled with cooperative ownership,to a concern towards<br>
>> commons-oriented forms of ownership in the material economy<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record<br>
>> of previous communication, proposals, etc ..<br>
>><br>
>> P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
>><br>
>> Updates: <a href="http://twitter.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mbauwens</a>; <a href="http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens</a><br>
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