<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>I am in agreement with you, Denis, that there is a "deep silence" that shrouds this critical discussion of how people seem to act in consort with their proclaimed cognitively-argued values but often in clear, at least to others, discordant ways that suggest unearthed and unself-examined emotional confusion about earlier learned ways of seeing and being? </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>This is the "tough stuff" for each of us and I wish that in all my experience it didn't end up
being the most critical part of the communication breakdowns that consistently derail great commons thinking with potential great ideas and projects, but in actual practice is what often happens most. I'm amazed and disheartened by the clear "integrity" breaks that manifest from this discordance, often resulting in the communication breakdowns that derail our getting through these issues to the other side, in any healthy and sustaining way.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>In reference to Anna's response to Willi's claim that the necessary "independence in the local economy" trumps these discussions, I am much more
aligned with Anna that without this work of imagining all of the underlying obstructions to this more equitable and even more loving world, you probably as a commons, will likely never get there. We have seen this countless times in countless revolutions, where the bullies still triumphed by being bullies, even if under differently envisioned cognitive ideals. The ideals didn't ultimately matter, the emotional "coherence" with those ideals and dealing with others with that coherence, did.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>That's an emotional reality. It is taught by societies' inequities and cruelties while young I
would argue, in order to counter the more innate drive for "fairness" and equality that I have found unerringly in all the thousands of very young children I have met and taught. It services the rationalisation of our own privilege, to allow it to continue in one form or another, without deep examination about that rationalisation.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>I understand that internal need created by the initial "innocence" fracture, taught in sexist, racist. classist societies that want to maintain that inequitable status quo, but I don't think we can continue to suggest we can truly get anywhere different if we
don't start acknowledging and addressing it, in all of us who came from those kinds of societies.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>It is therefore, and unfortunately because truly difficult work, not at all peripheral to these essential questions of sustainability and healthiness of humanity and the planet, but the core issues to address in truly getting to anywhere socially, economically and emotionally different.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>But admittedly, some of the hardest work to do....:-)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>Denis, you are apparently in "West London"? Let's meet sometime and talk more about this and your psycommons work?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family:
'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; "><span>June</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; "> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Denis Postle <d.postle@btinternet.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:38 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [P2P-F] Fwd: Matriarchal Studies<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7233092876"><div>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">On 16/08/2014 18:22, June
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<div class="yiv7233092876" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv7233092876">the key -- and I have found
this to be the hardest for those trained well in cognitive
displacement of inner heart "knowing" -- is to actually <span style="font-style:italic;">understand this emotionally</span>,
not just cognitively. That's when actual human
relationships are transformed, when we forge the paths of
learning from each other that do not deny our different ways
of understanding, but actually balances them so we can hear
the gifts offered by that very "difference". Over cultures
and histories, as well as genders.</span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv7233092876" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv7233092876">Anyway, critical to
deconstruct as it so often is the underlying root of much of
the dissension and "will to power over others" that is
taught at the root of patriarchy but not, as this piece
suggests and all my historical work has found as well, at
the "power <span style="font-style:italic;">with</span>
one another" model at the ground of matriarchy. </span></font></div>
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<div class="yiv7233092876" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:13px;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="yiv7233092876" style="">The
key is to teach that at the level it is most understood, the
level of the emotional heart, critical to any successful
parenting of any human life and ultimately the planet that
supports that and all life.</span></font></div>
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hi June, this is a very
welcome statement for the list. <br clear="none">
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If I was to coin a bit of a provocation based on it - the extent
to which the cognitive and action aspects of our lives are
driven/shaped by our imaginal and embodied emotional agendas do
seem to me to generally remain out of reach in the conversations
here. But then as I well understand, this is partly due to the
professional capture and sequestration of psychological knowledge
by pharma and medicine. We embrace physical fitness but psy
fitness still seems </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">trapped behind the 'mental illness' fiction and </font><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">off the activist and academic
life agendas.<br clear="none">
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For some constructive examples of how this stranglehold on psy
fitness can be contradicted, listers might like to see my <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mindgymnasium.com/ebooks/pages/LTHSWebSpace05.htm">FREE
ebook library</a>, especially<small> </small><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.mindgymnasium.com/ebooks/PDFs/PDFs/HeronPsychePersonhood.pdf"><font size="3"><b>John Heron: Psyche and Personhood</b></font><font size="2"> </font></a> </font>and the two videos about the
psyCommons on <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv7233092876moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://psycommons@wordpress.com/">http://psycommons@wordpress.com</a>.<br clear="none">
Greetings<br clear="none">
Denis<br clear="none">
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