<div dir="ltr">Bob / lynn:<div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">I wrote an article about a head design for software for a different</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">economic system which you can read here if you are interested in such</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">things and have a lot of time on your hands:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewf9k1H7mBJEd8wjL0ZIJWU4dkoqLyDJVqhf3L1R3Fo/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ewf9k1H7mBJEd8wjL0ZIJWU4dkoqLyDJVqhf3L1R3Fo/edit?usp=sharing</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">(but I don't think that is necessary to think about the question).</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Anyway, Michel wrote this response to a section of the article:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<div class="im" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"All these proposals require a social force willing to implement them.<br>Peer producers , and their livelyhood organisations, are the only ones<br>
that can realistically achieve any proposal. There will be no phase<br>transition without the prior establishment of a proto-mode of<br>production and a social subject that is willing to construct and fight<br>for such alternatives. I personally believe that<br>
'labour-within-capital" can no longer be that subject, but the people<br>who are actively constructing a new mode of value creation and<br>distribution, can. This is why we need coops that do not function<br>within capital, but within the accumulation of the commons."<br>
<br></div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">I commented:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"I think this would be an interesting related subject for another</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">discussion. You might be short-changing 'labor-within-capital'. The</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">socialization of labor has included all of the P2P supply chain</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">coordination elements from the 1990's onward, and a much deeper</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">experience with robotification and what it all means than the various</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OSHW experiments. We were looking for a video of a speech by a member</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of a left workers organization in Detroit, where he reflected on his</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">own changes of consciousness from the 1970's until now based on the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">changes in the auto industry, but </span><a href="http://blip.tv/" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">blip.tv</a><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> pulled it down. If we get</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">into that discussion, we'll see how much we can recreate from memory."</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">And Michel replied:</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">" I think it is very important to make the distinction between the first</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">phase of networking, pre-internet, which were reserved for corporations,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">and which led to globalization and a profound re=organization of the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">supply-chains . but still entirely within capital-labour logics, AND on the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">other hand, the 2nd phase of civic networking, which only started in the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">mid-nineties and led to massive amounts of social peer production, outside</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of the capital-labour relationship, where the emergence of peer producers /</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">commoners is coupled to a massive deproletarisation of workers and a</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">re-crafting (return to craft conditions) of their social conditions. One</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">out of three workers will be outside the labor-with-wage condition by 2020."</span><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div>
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