<div dir="ltr">Orsan asks:<div><br></div><div><<<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> background at</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> </span><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> (short) ;</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> </span><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/From_the_Communism_of_Capital_to_a_Capital_for_the_Commons" target="_blank" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">http://p2pfoundation.net/From_the_Communism_of_Capital_to_a_Capital_for_the_Commons</a><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> (long)</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This sounds really interesting, do you mean as P2P-F or Commons</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Strategy Group will be forming alliance with the CIC?>></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">This is about the P2P Foundation, not the CSG</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><<</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> we want to do this both 'top down' by talking to party leaders, and bottom</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> up, through the creation of local alliances and chambers of the commons; the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> latter is not getting much traction yet, but there is definite interest in</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> parties like Syriza (at least part of it) to discuss commons oriented policy</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> orientations</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">above, do you mean that the 'top down' is not getting traction?>></span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Orsan, none of the two is reallly getting tractions, but there are early sign that these potentialities are maturing. One is a string of conversations with people like Uffe Elbaek, Neal Lawson, who, given the EU electoral victories for the radical right forces, say, 'the time is now' to start pushing for it. and even a first question came here by marco guistini asking for the creation of a commons party ..</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">the signs of bottom up political trends is very meager as well, but there are certainly unifying commons conferences and festivals happening such as the commonsfest in Crete and topical coalitions around commons urbanism</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">but if you see what is happening in Italy around the Commons, a wide variety of political and policy initiatives, then I would say now is the time to seriously start pushing these new ideas and have them circulate,</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I would like to work with you on this projects</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><<</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and the above evaluation and perspestive from a deep dive is very</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">interesting as well. I was wondering what was the reason in making it</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">as a closed session, and was it taking place between individuals</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">participating in grassroots movements or representing</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">(semi-)hierarchically formed organisations? Just to understand if this</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">is part of top-down or bottom up practice.>>,</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I have done a number of these exploratory deep dives, funded by FPH and Boll foundations, to prepare the ICC and ECC conferences ... as we only have funding for a very small number (10 to 25), they are indeed closed and invitation only, but the invitees are meant to be representative of regions, gender, political forces .. though they are there as individuals, not as representers .. the idea is to explore the concerns of people in particular fields to inform the organisation of larger initiatives ..</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I realize this may not sound very p2p b</font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">ut because the selection procedures for quality of knowledge and discourse, they work extremely well, I guess we can consider them as meritocratic processes</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div>
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