<div dir="ltr">dear Orsan,<div><br></div><div>we have a community development list within the p2p-f, I think that perhaps this is the best place to advance the governance work,</div><div><br></div><div>I think that Stacco is motivated to advance this work as well, and he can tell you how far we have gotten,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Michel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Örsan Şenalp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:orsan1234@gmail.com" target="_blank">orsan1234@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work.<br>
<br>
I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols<br>
on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks<br>
on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on<br>
licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would<br>
be happy to collaborate on that.<br>
<br>
May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between<br>
p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and<br>
vertical agency interactions?<br>
<br>
Orsan<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear Orsan,<br>
><br>
> it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok<br>
><br>
> in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are<br>
> necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ...<br>
><br>
> perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?<br>
><br>
> it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see<br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory</a> and<br>
> <a href="http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power" target="_blank">http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power</a> ..<br>
><br>
> It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting<br>
> point ..<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1</a><br>
><br>
> for example:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design</a> /<br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks</a><br>
><br>
> so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that<br>
> maintain true distribution of power<br>
><br>
> Michel<br>
><br>
> <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and<br>
> Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being<br>
> formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small<br>
> faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical<br>
> abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong<br>
> and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions<br>
> and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like<br>
> money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory<br>
> peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily<br>
> in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,<br>
> Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and<br>
> authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus<br>
> whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities<br>
> limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of<br>
> revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical<br>
> politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers<br>
> to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave<br>
> them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like<br>
> them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power<br>
> accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of<br>
> communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution<br>
> processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as<br>
> well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain<br>
> network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these<br>
> weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is<br>
> not impossible to solve these problems today>><br>
><br>
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