<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Orsan,</div><div><br></div><div>it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok</div><div><br></div><div>in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ...</div>
<div><br></div><div>perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?</div><div><br></div><div>it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory</a> and <a href="http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power">http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power</a> ..</div>
<div><br></div><div>It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting point ..</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>for example:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design">http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design</a> / <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks">http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that maintain true distribution of power</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><<<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">not impossible to solve these problems today>></span><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div>
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