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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 28/07/2014 07:01, Michel Bauwens
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<div>Dear Orsan,</div>
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<div>it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok</div>
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<div>in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the
protocols that are necessary to retain equipotentiality in a
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<div>perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ?</div>
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You sometimes mention 'pre-figurative governance' Michel, could you
say something about how you see this in practice?<br>
Denis<br>
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<div>it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see <a
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and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a
great starting point ..</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1</a><br>
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<div>for example:</div>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design">http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design</a>
/ <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks">http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks</a><br>
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<div>so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot
down the rules that maintain true distribution of power</div>
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<<<span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">>From
the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt
and</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Gotha
to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">formed
among groups of friends, based on one important but small</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">faction
or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">abstraction,
took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and
irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory
visions</span><br
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">and
energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like</span><br
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">money,
girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory</span><br
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">peopel)
had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">in the
tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin,</span><br
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Proudhon,
Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">authority
for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">whatever
possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">limiting
communication. It killed the true spirit of</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">revolution/emancipation
as well as prevented prefigurative ethical</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">politics
as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">to
survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and
gave</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">them
advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also
like</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">them..
since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">accumulation.
It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">communication
allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">processes,
egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">well
as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to
gain</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">network
power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">weaknesses
there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is</span><br
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">not
impossible to solve these problems today>></span><br
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<div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on
February 8; I have no record of previous communication,
proposals, etc ..</b></div>
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