<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Fair enough….this is helpful</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:22 AM, Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Gordon,</div><div><br></div><div>there has been no capitulation ; the decision is simply not to broadcast the conflict further at this stage ;</div><div><br></div><div>the evaluation is and has been publicly available on the wiki for all who want to read it, via <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/FLOK_Society_Project#Evaluation_by_Michel_Bauwens">http://p2pfoundation.net/FLOK_Society_Project#Evaluation_by_Michel_Bauwens</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I look at your blog everyday and i believe that it was not announced there. I did see it in a private note that you sent which which i thought also said it was cancelled due to the decision of the core group. I also recall that i have not seen any p2p blog posts in about 10 days. I recall james Burke said there were technical issues in amsterdam that he was working on? I would like to remain subscribed to the blog. But I am no longer receiving anything from the p2p blog. I hope this will change I will read and report according on the material that you have pointed me too</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div> I will communicate you the names of the people in that meeting privately, as they have been subjected to a hate campaign (associated with attempts at bribery) themselves and now is not the time to have a red cloth</div>
<div> in front of a bull ..</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>appreciate your willingness to do this</div><div><br></div><div>I would prefer not to ask</div><div><br></div><div>but something that is not clear are you referring to the ecuadoran p2p team? or to key p2p people in europe? Or both?<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>They have not threatened me into silence but have rendered the work and life of many of our associates unnecessarily difficult and they all feel furthering the conflict is worth this derailment of their work ; I just respect that decision, that's all</div>
<div><br></div><div>Have you ever thought that by giving so much negative energy to a small group you may in fact be feeding them ?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>they don't seem to need to be fed<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>They have been outed and the information is available in different sources for those who want it,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>yes and i am doing my part to make sure that as much information as possible is out there on "the net"<br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div><br></div><div>There is much work to do, positive work, in which we are engaged in every day, conflicts are sometimes unavoidable but we have said our piece on it</div><div><br></div><div>Michel</div><div><br></div><,<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Yes I know michel you have said that?. note the words negative?. positive reaction to the way you were treated are just fine</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">you say there has been</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">'collective decision by the core members of the p2p foundation asking you to refrain</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">OK who are they please? You will disclose surely</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> However, our position is available on the wiki for those who search and ask, we are just not spreading it actively.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I am asking for it. It is generally regarded that something like this might well should be announced? if it was i did not see it al though I have a seen a draft of a assessment scheduled for publication on july 17 that never came out and another scheduled for the 19th that was withdrawn as a result of threats made against you. That i believe is the meeting you are referring to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> My associates estimated that anyone who needs to know, is already aware of the logic of the flok mgt team.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">who needs to know?. well michel please who does need to know. Have the flokista spaNIARDS DIVIVided the p2p movement in two? Into those who need to know and those who don't. That is something you'd expect to hear from the pentagon not from p2p</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> I regret that Gordon is focusing on me as a person in this whole affair</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">no I am focusing on you as the leader and founder of p2p who has pledged to the community he founded that after taking ill considered actions and getting himself in one hell of a mess has now back downed</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">></span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">> Why an open letter to the person who challenged the abuse, and not to those that conducted the abuse. It seems to me Gordon is focusing on the wrong person(s).</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">those who conducted the abuse have show they are not capable of rational trustworthy action.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">It is YOU michel who need to act with utmost integrity at this point and not let these "bolsheviks" threaten you into silence.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You promised a detailed evaluation and the hyenas started to bray at your heels</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">My complaint with you at this point is that you apparently won't defend yourself any further and you try to cloak your decision behind the shadow of a collective request of the "core p2p group" and sorry i don't know what such a group is.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This collective request will likely turn out to be the most important action ever undertaken in the entire history of the organization that you have dedicated your life to building. Surely you will be more transparent about who the member are and the nature of the request?apparently it was thought knot capitulating would stand in the way of other more important p2p work. Hope that is not the first step down the slippery slope of the end justifying the means.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You need to publish the evaluation because you announced it, as a matter of selfdefense, while under heavy attack, and claiming at the time that you would not be intimidated. Not only that, but after the mess, everybody is waiting for closure. If you don't provide close and you are not doing so then the rumor mills will be in full control. Not only of flok but also of your reputation.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">If you don't take that final step, the psychopaths will stand straight in their shoes and feel their power, and keep bullying everybody until someone else will confront them at some point in the future, take the heat, and eventually shut their big mouths, or capitulate as you area now very conveniently try to do - it was not my decision it was that of the core group enter another loop. Abandoning now will give them the impression that "they won". Abandoning your solemn word will also raise the question of whether people should trust you in the future.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">On the contrary, if you comply with your word, you will have closure for yourself, and for everybody else. Other people can then make their own minds about what happened, and you can safely disconnect from the conversation, as you will have said everything you needed to say. But for the opponents, things will become a tad harder to play with: they will be caught red-handed, with their own image and only their own reflection to fight against. At this point, they'd better just shut up and move on, for they stand on moving sands, and third parties will have the whole history to judge anything they would say.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I am sick and tired of ecuador?. but I now have a portion of the history and i shall put it out in the open. let the florists come rabidly after me as you pointed out I am now getting to be an old man and i care about my own legacy than their threats. I stand on my record.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You got into one god awful mess michel. Stand up in public and speak the truth. I am continuing to get new reports from ecuador. They aren't pretty and raise a lot of suspicions. Only you know exactly what Daniel promised you. bernardo may be threatening to destroy you if you don't shut up, but for gods sake please do not capitulate. Even if the truth is not pretty. Please tell it.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What i am drafting is for YOU because i am working under the assumption that you can still be communicates with. Your Opponents have way over played their hand. We are hearing now that the presidents office didn't know about the folk project until the weekend before the summit. With 26 signature required to pay the bills that assumption seems rather absurd. There rate to many people with first hand knowledge to paste together something that safely buries this>></span><br clear="all">
<div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><b>Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..</b></div><div><br></div>P2P Foundation: <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net</a> - <a href="http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/" target="_blank">http://blog.p2pfoundation.net</a> <br>
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