<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Jakob Rigi</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rigij@ceu.hu">rigij@ceu.hu</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 9:55 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Networkedlabour] [commoning] [P2P-F] Socialist Licences<br>To: <a href="mailto:restakis@gmail.com">restakis@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org">networkedlabour@lists.contrast.org</a>, <a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a><br>
<br><br><div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Hi all, </font><div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">I call your attention to my critique of PPL and related project for cooperatives, published in tripleC. </font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">best</font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif"> Jakob</font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div>
<font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">t</font><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">tripleC 12(1): 390-404, 2014 </font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">CC: Creative Commons License, 2014. </font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">The Coming Revolution of Peer Production and Revolution- ary Cooperative. A Response to Michel Bauwens, Vasilis Kostakis and Stefan Meretz </font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Jakob Rigi </font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Central European University; <a href="mailto:rigij@ceu.hu" target="_blank">rigij@ceu.hu</a> </font></div><div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Abstract: This article agrees with Meretz (2014) that the peer producing cooperatives which are pro- posed by Bauwens & Kostakis (2014) will become parts and parcels of the capitalist economy. Fur- ther, it argues that the so called Peer Production Licenses (PPL), originally designed by Dmitry Kleiner (2010), which is the basis of their proposal is a rent seeking instrument. Contra Bauwens & Kostakis, it argues that, from the perspectives of both reform and revolution, GPL is profoundly anti-capitalist. The article critiques Meretz`s understanding of exchange and reciprocity, on the one hand, and his under- estimation of GPL`s communist aspect, on the other. On the positive side, the article, explicating the communist nature of GPL-oriented peer production, speculates about the general contours of a socie- ty where peer production is the dominant mode of production. The technological basis of this society, the article suggests, will be digital copying and automation. Spatially, it will be based on localities that transcend the current division between the city and country, synthesising agriculture with industrial, affective and symbolic production. The rise of a globally unified revolutionary social struggle which adopts peer production as its platform is indispensible for the transformation of capitalism into such a society. A global network of revolutionary peer producing cooperatives which break with market and reduce their relations to it to an absolutely unavoidable necessary minimum can be a significant com- ponent of this social struggle. The building of these revolutionary cooperatives requires a massive exodus from the city to the country. </font></div>
<div><font face="Tahoma, sans-serif">Keywords:<span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></font><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Peer</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Production,</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Cooperatives,</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Revolutionary</span> <span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Struggle,</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Communism,</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> Exodus</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> From</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> the</span><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></div>
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<br></div><div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br><div><br><br>>>> Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>> 04/19/14 12:35 PM >>><div>
<div class="h5"><br><div dir="ltr">see inline<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Christian Siefkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christian@siefkes.net" target="_blank">christian@siefkes.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Michel and all,<br> <br> better a late reply than none at all, I guess...<br>
<div><br> On 04/06/2014 02:20 AM, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br> > ok, let me restate it then once again:<br> ><br> > you say <commercial usage is generally forbidden><br> ><br> > the CBRL, would say, <commercial usage is generally encouraged, unless there<br>
> is zero reciprocity>; hope you get it this time, it's really not that<br> > difficult to understand; reading ability should be sufficient. We are not<br> > talking about equivalent exchange or equivalent reciprocity, requiring<br>
> lengthly and complicated negotations; we are simply talking of moving from<br> > equivalent exchange to the recognition of participation in a reciprocal economy.<br> <br> </div>Well, I'm talking about the PPL, not about your fictitious CBRL which I<br>
don't know. Other licenses might or might not deserve the same criticism,<br> but without knowing them I cannot say. And if I understand you correctly,<br> the CBRL doesn't even exist yet?<br></blockquote><br><div>
fair remark, indeed, I would say the PPL is just the first of a new type of license; the PPL can be adapted, changed etc .. so the key is to focus on the reciprocity requirements</div> <div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br> > once again, the PPL is just an instance of the CBRL; so all not-for-profit<br> > entities (not to be confused with nonprofit) are allowed, and all the<br> > players who respect reciprocity<br> <br> </div>
How exactly does the "reciprocity" you talk about differ from capitalist<br> "exchange"?<br></blockquote><br><div>essentially, capitalist exchange is based on supply and demand dynamics and class power; reciprocity is based on ethical principles of fairness; the community itself can determine what that means in a specific context,</div>
<br><div>see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Reciprocity" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Reciprocity</a> and the definition there:</div><br><div><b style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;line-height:19.200000762939453px;text-align:justify">Balanced or Symmetrical reciprocity occurs when someone gives to someone else, expecting a fair and tangible return at some undefined future date. It is a very informal system of exchange. The expectation that the giver will be repaid is based on trust and social consequences</b></div>
<br><div>my FLOK colleague writes:</div><br><p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;text-align:justify">
John Restakis (in ch. 6 of <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Humanizing_the_Economy" title="Humanizing the Economy" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target="_blank">Humanizing the Economy</a>):</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;text-align:justify"> "Reciprocity is the social mechanism that makes associational life possible. It is the foundation of social life. In its elements, reciprocity is a system of voluntary exchange between individuals based on the understanding that the giving of a favour by one will in future be reciprocated either to the giver or to someone else. A simple example is the loan of a lawn mower by one neighbour - call him Frank, to another – say, Fred. Frank makes the loan on the assumption that at some later date Fred will return the favour. If Fred does not, the basis of reciprocity falls apart. No more loaning of the lawnmower to Fred. Moreover Fred’s non-reciprocity, if it continues, becomes reputational. Others will stop extending favours to Fred also. So willingness to reciprocate is a basic signal of the sociability of an individual. Taken to an extreme, the complete unwillingness of an individual to reciprocate is tantamount to severing the bonds between themselves and other people. Reciprocity is thus a social relation that contains within itself potent emotional and even spiritual dimensions. These elements account for an entirely different set of motivations within individuals than behaviour in the classical sense of “maximizing one’s utility” as a consumer.</p>
<p style="margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em;line-height:19.200000762939453px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;text-align:justify">Reciprocity animates a vast range of economic activities that rest on the sharing and reinforcement of attitudes and values that are interpersonal and constitute essential bonds between the individual and the human community. What is exchanged in reciprocal transactions are not merely particular goods, services and favours, but more fundamentally the expression of good will and the assurance that one is prepared to help others. It is the foundation of trust. Consequently, the practice of reciprocity has profound social ramifications and entails a clear moral element. Reciprocity is a key for understanding how the institutions of society work. But it is also an economic principle with wholly distinct characteristics that embody social as opposed to merely commercial attributes. When reciprocity finds economic expression in the exchange of goods and services to people and communities it is the social economy that results. Examples range from the provision of burial services through the creation of friendly societies in the 1800s to the promotion of neighborhood safety through organizations like Neighborhood Watch today.</p>
<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Ubuntu,'Lucida Grande',Verdana,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19.200000762939453px;text-align:justify">Finally, reciprocity is egalitarian – it presupposes a direct relationship of equality between the individuals involved. It is very different from altruism where the giver may have no relation to the receiver and where there is a clear asymmetry of power, as is the case with charity."</span> </div>
<br><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Specifically, in the PPL I see nothing beyond "if you want to use this<br>
commercially and are not a coop, negotiate the terms of exchange with us,<br> the license owners". That's business as usual in capitalism -- if two<br> persons or entities want to trade, they negotiate terms. That doesn't<br>
challenge capitalism, it confirms it.<br> <br> Again, I understand that other not-yet-existent licenses might approach that<br> situation in a different way and maybe I would be much happier with their<br> approach. But without knowing them it's impossible to say.<br>
</blockquote><br><br><div>the difference is in who is doing the negotiating</div><br><div>in capitalism, between two firms based on their market power</div> <br><div>in this case, by a community with ethical enterpreneurial coalition, based on their values and need for fairness / reciprocity</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><br> > Since you fully accept the<br>
> subsumption of free software to capitalism, this can only be construed as<br> > progress, compared to what you are advocating (i.e. no change to capitalism<br> > at all, I am of course not talking about your unpracticed dreams for a pure<br>
> and perfect p2p society; for the record, i like dreams and utopias).<br> <br> </div>Stop laying words in my mouth please, none of this is true. I agree that<br> every phase of transition will be imperfect and contradictory. Indeed I<br>
would claim that what you call "subsumption of free software to capitalism"<br> is an expression of those contractions, i.e. the fact that the new cannot<br> emerge "pure" without being touched by and involved with the old. Also, you<br>
might notice that the "subsumption" goes both ways, since many companies<br> contribute lots of money and development time to free software projects. So<br> capitalist companies benefit from peer production, but peer production<br>
benefits from them too.<br></blockquote><br><div>i'm not laying words in your mouth, just pointing out the general passivity of the oekonux view to the existing situation ... between the perfect ideals and the existing situation, there is no path forward but waiting .. </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> Your "pure", "socialist" scheme would destroy that messy but often mutually<br>
beneficial interaction, replacing it with the usual "lets negotiate until<br> both sides feel they can do no better" model of capitalism.<br></blockquote><br><div>nothing pure about what I propose, it's a pragmatic hack to improve the present and create counter-economic accumulation for the commons, to create livelihoods for commoners, and give power to the ethical economy; unless you propose something different than the current situation of subsumption, it's the only thing that can change it; the proposal combines non-capitalist market dynamics, with commons dynamics, and with material stigmergy on a non-capitalist and non-market basis. The PPL doesn't change much for the capitalist, they negotiate IP and licenses everyday, but it changes a lot for the ethical economy and the commons, since it creates autonomous livelihoods and relatively independent cooperative coalitions</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div><br> > you can't just wait for the end of the market, in a accomodationist or<br>
> attentist way; and you can't just abolish it by fiat; you have to create the<br> > conditions for: 1) replacing capitalist markets with post-capitalist markets<br> > and 2) replace market and planning with peer to peer coordination.<br>
<br> </div>(2) is fine for me and I agree with it. But I don't really see how the PPL<br> contributes to that goal -- certainly not more than the GPL and other<br> licenses for knowledge and information we already have. It would be<br>
interesting to develop and experiment with new forms of managing physical<br> commons (in addition to and beyond knowledge commons), but the PPL make no<br> contributions in that regards.<br></blockquote><br><div>The PPL combined with the cooperative coalition creates the condition for material coordination, something not possible with the GPL alone, which only creates immaterial coordination .. </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> (1) sounds about as meaningful as saying "replacing market capitalism with<br>
post-market capitalism". Capitalism cannot exist without markets, of course.<br> And while markets existed without before capitalism and might well exist<br> after it, capitalism is the only economic system known where markets are<br>
"total", i.e. most people cannot survive without participation in market<br> transactions. That was never the case before capitalism, where markets were<br> used for luxury goods and exchange of surplus produce, but most people's<br>
lives didn't depend on them, since most production and distribution was<br> organized in other ways.<br></blockquote><br><div>agreed, and in fact, you seem to agree with me to say that non-total markets are different from total-market-capitalism, that is the essential point </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> I don't mind the idea of post-capitalist, non-total markets, but I'm more<br>
interested in institutions that might eliminate the "totalitarianism" of<br> markets, i.e. that ensure that people can get by, and have a good life,<br> without having to buy and sell in the market. Which, for most people, means<br>
having to sell themselves (their own labor power), since they have nothing<br> else to sell.<br></blockquote><br><div>and this is essentially what my proposal addresses, pragmatically : 1) it reinforces the commons 2) create autonomous livelihoods for commoners which they don't have now 3) moves markets outside of capitalism 4) creates a new sphere of material coordination outside of markets and planning ..</div>
<br><div>what the scheme does is exactly what you want, it eliminates the totalitarianism of the current market form,</div><br><div>again, it's not the only thing that is necessary, it's part of integrative approach</div>
<br><div>for a vision of how the different pieces may fit together, <a href="http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan" target="_blank">http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan</a></div><br><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br> Best regards<br> Christian<br> <br> --<br></div></blockquote><br><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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