Thanks Olivier !<div><br></div><div>I like the word / concept of Anopticism, which I got to know about through you /<a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Anoptism"> p2pfoundation wiki</a>,</div><div><br></div><div>and mentioned it not later then yesterday in some other exchange.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks for having clarified it on this conversation thread :)<br><br>I hope we can find ways of collaborating around making such solutions more available, technically speaking, reducing thresholds for such crowdsourcing of contextualizations...</div>
<div><br></div><div>I like efforts converging around�<a href="http://www.netention.org/">http://www.netention.org/</a>�- its constantly brewing new ideas, evolving, ...�<br>Perhaps there are other places / software development approaches with such spirit in mind ?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ways to converge / create synergies towards the development of such tools ?</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:24 PM, olivier auber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olivierauber2@gmail.com" target="_blank">olivierauber2@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just a word to say that I strongly disagree to say that the concept of<br>
holoptism may describe what we are seeking and trying to do here (P2P<br>
foundation).<br>
<br>
I think that the concept of "Anopticism" may describe it better.<br>
<br>
If it seems quite paradoxical to name the project of making the<br>
collective intelligence visible : "Anopticism" [from the Greek "a"<br>
(without) and "optik�" (vision)], it�s certainly because it needs some<br>
explanations ...<br>
<br>
Of course, the anopticon is the opposite of the "panopticon". In a<br>
certain manner, the concept of "Anopticism" also differs from the<br>
concept of "holopticism" [from the Greek "holos" (whole)], which<br>
"consists of a physical or virtual space whose architecture is<br>
intentionally designed to give its players the ability to see and<br>
perceive all that occurs there ". If we consider the opposition of the<br>
Greek roots, we could even believe that there is a radical antagonism<br>
between Anoptic and holoptic. It's not quite the case: if Anopticism<br>
and holopticism, "are designed to give to each individual a modeled<br>
representation of space [...] in which he operates", the Anopticism<br>
mourns for the idea that the "totality" of this space is the<br>
"objectivity" of its representation, it insists instead on the<br>
arbitrary and subjectivity of the points of view that govern the<br>
models and on the rules that determine them.<br>
<br>
For the Anopticism, human relationships are not reducible to the<br>
establishment of a cybernetic feedback loop between the group and the<br>
individual: the essential is forever invisible to us. The mourning of<br>
objectivity is made bearable by the fact that everyone is potentially<br>
the author of the points of view and the actor of the implemented<br>
rules and codes. In this way, the Anopticism intends to legitimate a<br>
"digital perspective" which may be applied within social systems.<br>
<br>
more : <a href="http://perspective-numerique.net/wakka.php?wiki=Anopticism" target="_blank">http://perspective-numerique.net/wakka.php?wiki=Anopticism</a><br>
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2013/2/7 Dante-Gabryell Monson <<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
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> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:24 AM, flawer <<a href="mailto:flawer@shareful.be">flawer@shareful.be</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > the visualization of past transactions as a form of reputation ,<br>
>> > or of currently described contexts and suggestions, can speak for<br>
>> > itself :)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I guess, very much like on e-bay or couchsurfing<br>
>><br>
>> i tend to dislike these models.. people forced me to comment in cs and<br>
>> i am browsing too much of a overhappied load, but i admit that it works<br>
>> for the majority. �i prefer the 'no news are good news', archive bad<br>
>> reputation only, and then having a little of bad reputation could be a<br>
>> wished reputation �(it is better some visible reputation than no visible<br>
>> reputation, maybe :).<br>
><br>
><br>
> It was only to make a parallel... with concepts / approaches to reputation<br>
> online.<br>
><br>
> the way I imagine it, there would be no need to comment, or add stars, or<br>
> whatever...<br>
><br>
> Transactions would happen, and based on the privacy levels people choose,<br>
> they are publicly available or not...<br>
><br>
> hence people can understand interdependencies and choose to interact based<br>
> on past, present, and future actions or suggestions...<br>
><br>
> The past, present and future are defined in this introduction :<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.netention.org/intro/" target="_blank">http://www.netention.org/intro/</a><br>
><br>
> (Watch in full-screen)<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > � i guess this depends on the<br>
>> > �owner of the ontology, the relations he allowed that concept to be<br>
>> > �transferable with.[...]<br>
>> > yes, ideally ontologies would be free to use...<br>
>><br>
>> but not that much free to relate to other ontologies (concept creator<br>
>> moderate its semantics, altough it could be crowdsourcedly inputed or<br>
>> reviewed too).. or it's pure folksonomy.<br>
><br>
><br>
> as I see it, combination of the two... ontologies and folksonomies...<br>
> + people can use the tool to define their own meaning / ontologies<br>
><br>
> when combined with tags, I imagine that bridges can be made, through<br>
> emergence and patterns evolving out of it, between a potential diversity of<br>
> ontologies used ?<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > one would need to convene to use the same ontologies...<br>
>> > though perhaps som<br>
>> ><br>
>> > meaning giving ?<br>
>><br>
>> through the defining, and the adding of (reviewable, crwodsourced)<br>
>> hints for developing for the concept (i.e. coward) and +1s for those..<br>
>> is how i initially thought this karmic wealth (coward, etc points) to be<br>
>> generated. It can be used for relating material resources transactions<br>
>><br>
>> >> Or natural language processing... but perhaps that becomes more<br>
>> >> complex, and I do no<br>
>><br>
>> uhm... let's start by trying to find universalizable meaningful sets of<br>
>> things:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour</a><br>
>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromatic</a><br>
>> human values maybe....<br>
>><br>
>> or play with just verbs or just nouns for defining other things..<br>
><br>
><br>
> or we can start simply with units such as apples and pears ( such as within<br>
> a collaborative consumption and/or shareable approach )<br>
><br>
> and also express the conditions related to such transactions,<br>
><br>
> and then add / experiment with any other algorithms later ?<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> or go back to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopeia" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onomatopeia</a> (although it has<br>
>> some dialects by longitude and latitude :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> :)<br>
><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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