<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/5 flawer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:flawer@shareful.be" target="_blank">flawer@shareful.be</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> a) it decides whether the tools for the project are created and by<br>
> whom they are used.<br>
> b) they decide the price of those tools( through lending).<br>
><br>
> After this analysis, we see that a bank does decide what the economy<br>
> produces. In general, the owner of money controls the economy because<br>
> of those 2 reasons.<br>
><br>
> Any ruleset thus has to find a way to remove those abilities from<br>
> money.<br>
<br>
</div>if you attach a contract that promises the universalization of access<br>
you are giving more responsability and less rights to ownership (what<br>
money could buy), you won't be able to ask for money for the produced<br>
thing, and should let others use it, etc, so investing in my property is<br>
increasing my responsability, so i'd like to share that charge (peer<br>
property) and i'd like not being owner of too many things (i prefer to<br>
be plain user). the "a)" reason you mention is mentioned to be universal<br>
use by default.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Yes, this solves a). it is one way to do it.</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
i believe a job agency of workers investing their sales/budgets for the<br>
commons can be bought by a rich in $ (and it's an internal matter of us<br>
whether we know how to spend well the $ and if we still need to 'accept'<br>
them), and this not being a power over from the rich in $ towards us. It<br>
is rather a way we should experiment more, we shouldn't have much<br>
competition in the actual 'market' if we corporate so.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There could be accumulation even inside our own currency.</div><div>Also, it shouldnt be the choice of an individual, or a specific group, it should be a property of the monetary system itself.</div>
<div>This is known as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma#Strategy_for_the_classic_prisoners.27_dilemma">prisoners dilemma</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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also the clausing of community currencies with the shareful producing<br>
condition, whether they choose the shareful project to be just accesible<br>
for their associates or for the whole world, should help defining their<br>
values and even justify the giving of 'basic incomes' for shareful<br>
producers works in this way (who could buy preferent use/access for<br>
those produced shareful things) (who could require to retain the<br>
ownership of the shareful production or give it to the corp)<br>
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Sincerely yours, </pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"> Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis</pre></span>