<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> Dear Anna,</span><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">I resonate with that comment,</span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">having spent a few years living in, and more interested in, intentional communities, some with a strong spiritual identity, I had come to the same conclusion, i.e. that no community without children AND elders, was 'realistic'.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">However, as the New We documentary shows, there are now multi-gender and multi-generational communities w hich have subsisted over several decades and at least two generations</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">also of course, monasteries were hierarchical/feudal in their authoritity structure,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12.571428298950195px">Michel<br>
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</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> 1. Re: The Economics of Monasticism by Nathan Smith (Anna Harris)</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> 2. Fwd: Be part of the new Edgeryders community: independent,</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> bottom-up and self-organized. (Kevin Carson)</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Message: 1</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:22:20 +0000</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">From: Anna Harris <</span><a href="mailto:anna@shsh.co.uk" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">anna@shsh.co.uk</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">></span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Subject: Re: [P2P-F] The Economics of Monasticism by Nathan Smith</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">To: P2P Foundation mailing list <</span><a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">></span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Message-ID:</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> <CABmBfp65bDRhw3nTB70vKyjBi-v=</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">hW-i4o=</span><a href="mailto:1UUdnWzSD1ZzMFg@mail.gmail.com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1UUdnWzSD1ZzMFg@mail.gmail.com</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">></span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The element left out of this analysis is the fact that monasteries are</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">single sex establishments which do not have to cope with child rearing.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">They are therefor parasitic in the sense that they live off the produce of</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the society at large which provides them with the personnel while leaving</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">them free to indulge in their 'spiritual capital'.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">There is no doubt in my mind that child rearing is the most difficult and</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">undervalued profession, since it is performed in the main voluntarily by</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">untrained people out of love, and therefore does not appear to require any</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">specific investment. Consequently it can be ignored as in the above</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">discussion as though living in a secular socialist commune could be</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">compared to living in a monastery.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I am not decrying the need for a spiritual element in helping to sustain</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">indivuals and groups. Indeed I think it is essential to bring meaning in</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the present situation of imminent 'collapse of civilisation', but it needs</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">to be able to be interwoven into our everyday lives, not hived off into</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">separate cloisters which may be beneficial for the inmates but do not</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">really contribute to the sustenance of the rest of us.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.571428298950195px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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