<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div> There is a reference here to the late Paul Kriwaczeks book Babylon. I had contact with him but it was on another subject. As Kriwaczek was a TV producer he wrote for me an interesting account for publication of the making of Ancestral Voices presented by David Munrow, the brilliant Early Music populariser. A few days later the latter took his life.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div><a href="http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Robert_Searle">http://www.p2pfoundation.net/Robert_Searle</a> </div><div> </div><div><br> </div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> -----
Forwarded Message -----<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Hudson <michael.hudson@earthlink.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> gang8@yahoogroups.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 18 September 2012, 19:47<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [gang8] Babylon<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv432807453">
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<font size="4"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Not over-optimism but “the norm.”<br>
Remember the BM conference re China: They printed out the payment sheets IN ADVANCE for what they ESTIMATED the yield of the land would be.<br>
If there was a flood or drought, they wrote the ACTUAL delivery. Deficits were in RED INK.<br>
The example is in the BM, but behind glass, so we couldn’t photograph it to put on the cover.<br>
When floods occurred in Babylonia, the barley debts simply were annulled.<br>
Michael<br>
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On 9/18/12 1:47 PM, "Geoffrey Gardiner" <geoffrey.gardiner@btinternet.com> wrote:<br>
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</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Michael,<br>
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I picked up a copy of Paul Kriwaczek’s book ‘Babylon’, published in 2010. Sadly he has died, I understand. The book seems good, and I notice the author draws largely on Marc Van Der Mieroop. Piotr Steinkeller is also quoted. Not easy to see all his sources as his bibliography is done in an unusual way. He follows Marc in attributing farmers debts to the over-optimism of the bureaucrats as to the yields of the lands. I remember Marc emphasising that point to me at the BM conference.<br>
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Geoffrey<br>
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