I remember reading a whole article in the xmas issue of new statesman while I was in europe this month, 3-4 pages of critique against free will, from richard dawkins or similar scientist (it could have been dennett) but then mysteriously concluding that though we don't have free will, we have 'choice' ... in other words, ending up in the same place<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 4:36 PM, robert searle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dharao4@yahoo.co.uk">dharao4@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:dharao4@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">dharao4@yahoo.co.uk</a>; <a href="mailto:psidoc@gmail.com" target="_blank">psidoc@gmail.com</a> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> P2P Foundation mailing list <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 29 December 2011, 22:19<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [P2P-F] Do you believe in free will??<br></font><br>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:34 AM, robert searle <<a href="mailto:dharao4@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">dharao4@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>>> The materialist Christopher Hitchins who died very recently was asked the<br>>> following question (ref source Richard Dawkins/Radio Four).<br>>><br>>> Do you believe in free will?<br>
>><br>>> Yes, I have no choice!<br>>><br>>> The following is a somewhat long bio on CH<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens</a><br>
<br>On 29 December 2011 19:58, Paul Hughes <<a href="mailto:psidoc@gmail.com" target="_blank">psidoc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> I have argued that the answer is ultimately yes:<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.realitysandwich.com/super_free_will" target="_blank">http://www.realitysandwich.com/super_free_will</a><br>
<br>FYI: The Strong Free Will Theorem<br><br>"[...]
our theorem asserts that if experimenters have a certain<br>freedom, then particles have exactly the same kind of freedom. Indeed,<br>it is natural to suppose that this latter freedom is the ultimate<br>explanation of our own.<br>
[...] It may well be true that classically stochastic processes such<br>as tossing a (true) coin do not help in explaining free will, but<br>[...] adding randomness also does not explain the quantum mechanical<br>effects described in our theorem. It is precisely the “semi-free”<br>
nature of twinned particles, and more generally of entanglement, that<br>shows that something very different from classical stochasticism is at<br>play here.<br>Although the FWT [Free Will Theorem] suggests to us that determinism<br>
is not a viable option, it nevertheless enables us to agree with<br>Einstein that “God does not play dice with the Universe.” In the<br>present state of knowledge, it is certainly beyond our capabilities
to<br>understand the connection between the free decisions of particles and<br>humans, but the free will of neither of these is accounted for by mere<br>randomness.<br>[...] determinism may formally be shown to be consistent, there is no<br>
longer any evidence that supports it, in view of the fact that<br>classical physics has been superseded by quantum mechanics, a<br>non-deterministic theory. The import of the free will theorem is that<br>it is not only current quantum theory, but the world itself that is<br>
non-deterministic, so that no future theory can return us to a<br>clockwork universe."<br><br><a href="http://www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf</a><br>
<br>Cf. <a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/35391/title/Math_Trek__Do_subatomic_particles_have_free_will" target="_blank">http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/35391/title/Math_Trek__Do_subatomic_particles_have_free_will</a><br>
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