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<br><div><div>On Dec 24, 2011, at 1:41 PM, michael gurstein wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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exploitative when they are imposed top down (the Juiche position of Kim
Il sung seems somewhat similar) but non-exploitive, in fact a very
desireable goal when it is bottom up.</font></span></font></font></div>
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[mailto:p2p-foundation-bounces@lists.ourproject.org] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Gordon Cook<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:45
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>; P2P Foundation mailing
list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [P2P-F] Self-Sufficiency: a universal solution to
the globalistproblem.<br><br></font></font></div>I sent this to my mail list
and asked for comment from two members fluent in thai who have been living
there a long time. I asked there opinion. They both replied that
if they gave their opinion they would wind up jailed. One is
economically well to do the other is not..... i have met both in person in
thailand. The one who is not well to do i married to a thai and lives in
a thai village a LONG way away from bangkok.
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<div>There is no freedom of speech whatsoever in Thailand. My perception
is that there are two sets of elites.... one tied to the monarchy the
other to thaksin and that neither likes this program. Michele lives
there of course so he would know, but again remember that there are big risks
in talking about Thai politics. even on mail lists. My perception
is and i spent 10 days there in march of 2010 is that thais outside of
bangkok and perhaps many within.... would say that you very much
we are self sufficient and don't need any help from the higher ups. and
further that they view this as exploitative.</div>
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<div>one recommended this <a href="http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/">http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/</a><br>
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<div>On Dec 23, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Dante-Gabryell Monson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">via <a style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: 'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(59,89,152); FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; TEXT-DECORATION: none" class="passiveName" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=695378522">John
M�daille</a> , who asked : "<a style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: 'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(59,89,152); FONT-SIZE: 11px" href="https://www.facebook.com/mbauwens">Michel Bauwens</a><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 14px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: 'lucida grande',tahoma,verdana,arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11px" class="Apple-style-span">, any comments on this?"</span>
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<div><a href="http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/globalists-worst-nightmare.html">http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/03/globalists-worst-nightmare.html</a></div>
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<div><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 28px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 20px" class="Apple-style-span">Self-Sufficiency: a universal solution to the
globalist problem. </span></div>
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"Sufficiency Economy" and "New Theory" economics, please see, "</span><a style="LINE-HEIGHT: 21px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(34,136,187); FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/wisdom-from-orient-self-sufficiency.html">Wisdom
from the Orient: Self-Sufficiency</a><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 21px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 15px" class="Apple-style-span">." </span></div>
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<div><a href="http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/wisdom-from-orient-self-sufficiency.html">http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/07/wisdom-from-orient-self-sufficiency.html</a></div>
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<div><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 21px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); FONT-FAMILY: Arial,Tahoma,Helvetica,FreeSans,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-WEIGHT: bold" class="Apple-style-span">Thailand's Answer to the Globalization</span></div>
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<div>The foundation of the self-sufficiency economy is simply growing your
own garden and providing yourself with your own food. This is portrayed on
the back right-hand side of every 1,000 baht Thai banknote as a picture of a
woman tending her garden. The next step is producing surplus that can be
traded for income, which in turn can be used to purchase technology to
further enhance your ability to sustain yourself and improve your
life-style.</div>
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<div>Under the "New Theory," demonstration stations all across Thailand have
been created promoting education in matters of agriculture and
self-sufficient living. The program is competing against the contemporary
globalist system, which as of now, is mired in many parts of the world with
economic meltdown. The relatively self-sufficient nature of Thais in general
has weathered this economic chaos fairly well. In 10 years, a plate of food
still costs the same amount of money, as do many everyday commodities. This
only further vindicates the value of being self-sufficient and now more than
ever, in both Thailand, and abroad, it is a good time to get involved and
get
self-sufficient.</div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>P2P
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