I hope we didnt get confused because of my english.<div><br></div><div>How do you say in english the ability of a person to decide what to do with an object or to decde what others could do with it.</div><div><br></div><div>
I call this ownership. maybe I use the wrong word.</div><div><br></div><div>And yes, profit and debt wear different dresses but are the same person... lol.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/10 Patrick Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agnucius@gmail.com">agnucius@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">Apostolis wrote:<br>
> When you take a house with a loan,<br>
> you are the owner of the house.<br>
<br>
</div>Are you saying the "payer's lack of ownership"<br>
is the same as "debt"?<br>
<br>
I had never thought of it in that way.<br>
<br>
So when I say "profit measures the consumer's<br>
lack of ownership in the means of production",<br>
I could instead say "interest measures debt".<br>
<br>
So we are in debt to the Capitalists because<br>
we have not organized to co-own the means of<br>
production for our mutual benefit.<br>
<br>
That make a lot of sense.<br>
<br>
I wonder how this compares to Chris Cook's<br>
take on the subject, which seems very similar<br>
to what I propose but continues to elude me.<br>
<br>
His older work is at <a href="http://OpenCapital.net" target="_blank">http://OpenCapital.net</a><br>
also see <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Chris_Cook</a><br>
<br>
I would CC him, but can't seem to find his addr.<br>
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Sincerely yours, </pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"> Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis</pre></span><br>
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