Patrick, in both cases i presented, consumers have ownership of the company from the beginning till the end. What I mean by that is that only consumers and workers decide how to produce things.<div><br></div><div>Profit is given to the creditors due to the fact that they had money when you needed them.</div>
<div><br></div><div>in essence, It is as if we accept profit all together, with one important difference though.</div><div><br></div><div>Today, since it is not consumers - workers that decide, companies spend millions for advertisements. They create bad quality products and try to hide the truth from the public. they have hazardous working condtions etc.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another thing.. I have almost finished the math behind the simulation of such a network. Then I ll need to program �the simulation. Then we could ask the program what the effects of the rules we might pose, have on the network..�</div>
<div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/9 Patrick Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agnucius@gmail.com">agnucius@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">Apostolis wrote:<br>
> Should we then put a rule that will disallow them to<br>
> give profit to some which might be hamfull in the<br>
> health of this network of companies in the future,<br>
> when accepting to give some profit to them is also<br>
> profitable for the consumers in the short term?<br>
<br>
</div>I have thought about this problem and imagined it<br>
might be ok to allow Venture Capitalists to invest,<br>
paying them some % of the Profit.<br>
<br>
The crucial point is that *some* % of the Profit be<br>
treated as Payer Investment, for otherwise those late<br>
users will never gain the co-ownership needed to crawl<br>
out of subjugation.<br>
<br>
You can read my attempt at explaining this here:<br>
<a href="http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com/2011/09/burn-ring-funding-model.html" target="_blank">http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com/2011/09/burn-ring-funding-model.html</a><br>
<br>
I call it "Burn Ring" because the VC's ability to collect<br>
Profit from Payers will incrementally "burn-out" as those<br>
Payers gain ownership, and so will leave a wake of very<br>
high production that undercuts all Capitalist endeavors -<br>
since the co-owners who have sufficient ownership will<br>
be receiving Product at Cost, and so will never be tempted<br>
to buy from those who must sell at a Price above Cost.<br>
<br>
Profit will continue to flow to the VCs for as long as new<br>
Consumers are found who do not yet have sufficient<br>
ownership. �I think this will be a very attractive investment<br>
because of the stability of the 'core' created by all the<br>
co-owners with sufficient ownership.<br>
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Sincerely yours, </pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap"> Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis</pre></span><br>
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