Maybe when i finish my work I will convince you (and myself) that those factors are one and the same. :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/7 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">hi apostolis,<br><br>my understanding is that compound interest is a primary cause (one of the) of infinite growth, but not the only one. Merely tacking monetary design would not change the other factors leading to infinite capital accumulation. Nevertheless, it&#39;s an important part of any mix of measures to contain the infinite growth dynamic, and in this context, a renewed drive for debt bondage, leading to the destruction of the welfare state model.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>

<br>Michel</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xekoukou@gmail.com" target="_blank">xekoukou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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I dont understand your question very well. If you are refering to the historical basis of debt bondage the article suggests that it is.<div><br></div><div>I would search for the reasons that interest rates were created. Interest rates are like a kind of clothe. We have to understand that it is a clothe and not be misguided by the fashion of the era.</div>


<div><br></div><div>If we removed interest rates from the economy, would we have stopped the unending cicle? This is as important today as ever before.</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/6 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;</span><br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font color="#111111" face="&#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px">&lt;My only concern is that he might consider debt
 as only the obligation to return money with interest in the future in 
exchange for some product or service.</span></font>&gt;<br><br></div>that&#39;s the basis of debt peonage / bondage is it not?<div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xekoukou@gmail.com" target="_blank">xekoukou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">+1<div><br></div><div>&#39;&#39;<span style="color:rgb(17,17,17);font-family:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;;font-size:14px;line-height:18px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Debt has been the main dynamic driving these shifts � always with new twists and turns. It polarizes wealth to create a creditor class, whose oligarchic rule is ended as new leaders (�tyrants� to Aristotle) win popular support by cancelling the debts and redistributing property or taking its usufruct for the state.&#39;&#39;</span></div>




<div><font color="#111111" face="&#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#111111" face="&#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px">My only concern is that he might consider debt as only the obligation to return money with interest in the future in exchange for some product or service.</span></font></div>




<div><font color="#111111" face="&#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#111111" face="&#39;Times New Roman&#39;"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px"><br>




</span></font></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/12/5 Michel Bauwens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:michel@p2pfoundation.net" target="_blank">michel@p2pfoundation.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">



<div><div></div><div>
<a href="http://michael-hudson.com/2011/12/democracy-and-debt/" target="_blank">http://michael-hudson.com/2011/12/democracy-and-debt/</a><br><br>(i only disagree with his analysis of the feudal ages, serfs were NOT indebted, and it was not a continuation of the undefeated roman oligarchy)<span><font color="#888888"><br>





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