this is probably true martin, that there is continuation with alt.global, yet, there are also differences I think, it's a substantial remix,<br><br>the way I see it (and ht to jose ramos for point to ariel salleh's work), there are 3 working classes nowadays,<br>
<br>the meta-industrial class of the south (salleh)<br><br>the traditional industrial working class (now also mostly in the emerging south)<br><br>the knowledge workers, and I think ows reflects them ...<br><br>we need social movements of all three, but because of the strategic place of knowledge workers in the current mode of production, they are at a crucial nexus of power and influence; they are also the probable vehicles, I think, the speed up the adoption of peer production by the meta-industrials, allowing them leapfrogging capabilities ...<br>
<br>I'm not so clear about what it all means for the traditional working classes,<br><br>perhaps Orsan has a view?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 2:19 AM, mp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mp@aktivix.org">mp@aktivix.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
when put like this, one really and clearly sees the continuum with<br>
alter-globalisation events, from counter-summit camps through No Border<br>
camps, and even before that: the free party scene, the rave scene,<br>
Reclaim the Streets etc. (all the way back into the age of camping<br>
hundreds of years ago): claiming a space, reorganising it and building a<br>
new world.<br>
<br>
the events and organisational approaches of OWS are very similar and<br>
obviously come in extension of those experiences of globalisation<br>
protests - and in many cases, there are old familiar faces at play.<br>
<br>
the only thing that has changed, as far as i can tell, is that the<br>
problems revealed and analysed previously have now found resonance with<br>
more people in the rich part of the world, because suddenly suffering<br>
has come home to roost (when it was predominantly children of colour in<br>
exotic countries, people were happy to buy a Save the Children badge to<br>
patch their conscience).<br>
<br>
m<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 23/11/11 18:17, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
> in response to another letter:<br>
><br>
> I think ows produces a political commons and does that pretty much in a<br>
> standard peer production way,<br>
><br>
> they have a commons, zuccoti park,<br>
><br>
> they have the general assembly and different substructures, but which do<br>
> not command and control the movement,<br>
><br>
> for example, the finance working group, which looks for money,<br>
><br>
> they have sophisticated provisioning systems<br>
><br>
> the last three are equivalent to the for-benefit associations in open<br>
> source,<br>
><br>
> finally, they have an enterpreneurial coalition, such as the ows street<br>
> vendor association,<br>
><br>
> I have documented this through<br>
> <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OccupyWallStreet" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OccupyWallStreet</a>, in detail,<br>
><br>
> so,<br>
><br>
> ows produces 'politics', and it has governance,<br>
><br>
> it has no clear property, but the commons aspect, i.e. it can be used and<br>
> remixed, would cover that<br>
><br>
> this is quite illuminating, <a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Occupy_Wall_Street_API" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Occupy_Wall_Street_API</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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