this is an old and recurring discussion, and a charge I disagree with .. .I participated in different free culture forums, except the last one, and the debates around the material basis of free culture were actually the most sophisticated i have witnessed anywhere ... I think the free culture = loves only cyberspace is mostly a strawman ... material infrastructures, business and sustainability models for creators, and ownership issues were at the core of the discussions ...<br>
<br>some people seem to believe that the recognition of emergent properties means a denial of other and sustaining layers, but it is not, it is a necessary differntiation, but it has to be seen in its relation and embeddedness to material infrastructures<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:01 AM, mp <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mp@aktivix.org">mp@aktivix.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On 20/11/11 17:58, Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
> I don't think it matters directly .. but it is definitely a silicon valley<br>
> tech investor mentality, intend on re-introducing monetization of<br>
> everything on the internet and he's confident they will succeed ...<br>
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</div>.... and the monetization is particularly possible because of the<br>
material aspects of the internet combined with ownership relations,<br>
which is why it is philosophically problematic and politically<br>
disempowering, I think, that the "free culture" movement perpetuates the<br>
"immaterial myth", by contrasting cyberspace to "real space" and on that<br>
basis arguing for exceptions in cyberspace. One step forward and two<br>
steps back.<br>
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