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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Cnelson@computer.org
href="mailto:Cnelson@computer.org">Chris Nelson</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 24, 2011 9:13 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=10natalie@cox.net
href="mailto:10natalie@cox.net">Natalie Golovin</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Fw: [P2P-F] Fw: Info</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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size=2 face=sans-serif>This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Is this
person representative of the people you chat with? It is meaningless, and even
demeaning, to speak of American Indians, in toto, as a "they," as if all Indians
were the same. Some tribes offered their hands in friendship, others offered the
tip of an arrow or point of a spear. Indian tribes varied widely in militancy,
technological development (though they were all technologically backward
compared to Europeans), and political and cultural sophistication. They were as
bigoted as any Europeans toward tribes they considered inferior (consider the
universally despised "Diggers"), which explains why they never, except in rare
instances (e.g.,Tecumseh), made common cause. Many warrior tribes practiced
slavery and torture, and some even human sacrifice and cannibalism. There were
isolated attempts at "forced acculturation" (long after "first contact"; the
Pilgrims, trying to claw a foothold in North America, were hardly in a position
to force anything) but they were given up when the Indians exhibited either
unwillingness or inability to assimilate. There are still something like 300
Indian languages in North America ('notable for its linguistic diversity," says
Wikipedia); sure, many are dying out, but you don't hear Basque or Gaelic much
anymore either. There are an equal number of Indian reservations comprising
nearly 60 million acres in the US, which is hardly evidence of "genocide." The
implementation of the reservation system, the only realistic solution to the
inevitable clash of Stone Age pagans and the authors of the Scientific
Revolution, Enlightenment, and Industrial Age, was initially a disaster, but
through incompetence and corruption, not design.</FONT>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><FONT color=#5f5f5f size=1
face=sans-serif>From: </FONT><FONT
size=1 face=sans-serif>"Natalie Golovin" <10natalie@cox.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT color=#5f5f5f size=1
face=sans-serif>To: </FONT><FONT
size=1 face=sans-serif>"Chris Nelson" <cnelson@computer.org></FONT>
<BR><FONT color=#5f5f5f size=1
face=sans-serif>Date: </FONT><FONT
size=1 face=sans-serif>10/23/2011 06:06 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT color=#5f5f5f size=1
face=sans-serif>Subject: </FONT><FONT
size=1 face=sans-serif>Fw: [P2P-F] Fw: Info</FONT> <BR>
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<BR><BR><BR><TT><FONT size=2>HELP!!<BR><BR>-----Original Message----- <BR>From:
Mark Janssen<BR>Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:39 PM<BR>To: P2P Foundation
mailing list<BR>Subject: Re: [P2P-F] Fw: Info<BR><BR>On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at
10:32 AM, Natalie Golovin <10natalie@cox.net> wrote:<BR>> The European
Tribes treated the Natives no worse than they treated each<BR>>
other.<BR><BR>Whoa. You should really stop talking. You have NO idea
what you're<BR>talking about. How about forced acculturation, not allowing
them to<BR>speak their own language (which hold the record of their own
history),<BR>confined them under threat of violent force into reservations,
among<BR>other things. But, really, that's probably not even the worst of
it<BR>-- the worst of it is that for reasons they couldn't ever understand<BR>is
why you were doing all of these cruel things when they were willing<BR>to share
it it all with you. Why, when they handed out their hand to<BR>be friends,
you chopped it off. Remember, they're the ones who gave<BR>us Thanksgiving
which is still "celebrated" in this nation today.<BR>Read the reports made of
making first contact with the Native peoples<BR>here.<BR><BR>You really should
read up before propagating the attitudes of<BR>conquest.
Sorry....<BR><BR>marcos<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>P2P
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