<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Dante-Gabryell Monson</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:28 AM<br>Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Global petition for currency reform<br>To: Michel Bauwens <<a href="mailto:michelsub2004@gmail.com">michelsub2004@gmail.com</a>>To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>>, <a href="mailto:econowmix@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">econowmix@googlegroups.com</a>, <a href="mailto:opencc@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">opencc@googlegroups.com</a><br>
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Cc: Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org</a>>, Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander.bindewald@yahoo.com" target="_blank">leander.bindewald@yahoo.com</a>>, Anna-Lisa Schmalz <<a href="mailto:anna-lisa.schmalz@rewig.info" target="_blank">anna-lisa.schmalz@rewig.info</a>>, Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br><br>Thanks Tim.<div><br></div><div>your alternative proposal sounds interesting :</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><a href="http://regional-economic-communities.info/concept/market-community/liquidity/" target="_blank">http://regional-economic-communities.info/concept/market-community/liquidity/</a></span><br>
<div><br></div><div>Another idea I was considering, as to increase demand for a local currency ( backed by shares ? ) ,</div><div>while enabling non-monetary investments and</div><div>providing a form of non-mainstream currency insurance in case of a debasement or sudden inflation of euros :</div>
<div><br></div><div>to enable transfer ( as investment ) of property into the local networked economy without payment of euros to the initial owners</div><div>( under legal models that limit payment of taxes in euros ? - a combination of legal structures ? including foundations ? some kind of Community Land Trust ? or a LLP ? ).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I imagine the former owners could become shareholders of a specific legal construct ( including something similar to a custodian ?�<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodian_bank" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custodian_bank</a>�),</div>
<div><br></div><div>with users of the regional economy and/or the specific infrastructure progressively buying over the shares- with its own internal currency ? - , under conditions initially defined within the contract, with a local currency ( instead of legal tender currency ).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I could also imagine, to limit inflation,</div><div>that the repurchasing by the local economy of such shares could be done gradually,</div><div>according to the growth of the alternative currency based economy,</div>
<div>in effect guaranteeing the shares ( and the currency ) with its projected production capacity ?</div><div><br></div><div>Ps: I did not check the validity of the effect of my proposals on the system yet - just brainstorming for now :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Note :</div><div><br></div><div>In the UK and in the US, some legal constructs such as "Limited Liability Partnerships"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Limited_Liability_Partnership" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Limited_Liability_Partnership</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OpenCapital" target="_blank">http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:OpenCapital</a></div><div><div></div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Tim Reeves <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Dear friends,<br>
<br>
great idea, Dante, to have the elderly rent out a floor for CC
and spend the CC-Income on home care.<br>
<br>
Surely the growing undercurrent of fear of a crash, and the
increasing realisation that our current system is flawed, are
already providing the willingness to at leats try alternative
currencies. Of course, all further proactive measures welcome!<br>
<br>
Regarding the GROK construction, yes, my wife and I have
extended the concept to provide 2 ways to get a credit facility
without having to spend old money - activity points and affinity
groups, see <br>
<a href="http://regional-economic-communities.info/concept/market-community/liquidity/" target="_blank">http://regional-economic-communities.info/concept/market-community/liquidity/</a><br>
<br>
Unfortunately the german website has not been updated yet, but
the english one is consistently on the new understanding.<br>
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Am 17.10.2011 01:12, schrieb Dante-Gabryell Monson:
<div><div></div><div><blockquote type="cite">Hi Josh,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>nice to get acquainted indeed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I believe that Leander has more experience in relation to the
C3 in Paraguay ( Leander, if I remember properly, you went to
Paraguay as to find out more about the C3 there ? )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am interested in understanding what can create demand for
complementary currencies, in the current economic and political
context.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For example, in Brussels there is high demand for housing,
including on the rent market.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I like the idea of having house owners that already paid off
their mortgage ( in mainstream money ), to - partly - enable the
payment of rent in alternative currencies.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Potentially elderly people in need for house care.</div>
<div>It could be a mutual credit system, with elderly
people�benefiting�from support by getting into credit, while
moving back towards positive by renting out flats in the upper
floors of their house in alternative mutual credit currency.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In this particular case, there is less dependency on
mainstream currency, as services and an already paid off
mortgage reduce a dependency on mainstream currency,</div>
<div>�except for the payment of taxes. ( on the house ? )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ideally, I would also like to find out a way for a
post-financial crisis insurance to converge the investments
needs in mainstream currency as to enable more autonomy in a
variety of production, as to reduce long term dependency on
mainstream currency / demonetize.</div>
<div>( the business model being : reduced cost in euros as
investment covers cost for long term consumption through
producing oneself / through the local economy, and increased
resilience and autonomy providing use value insurance in case of
mainstream currency systemic crisis ).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The grok model , guaranteeing credit through investment
shares, is an interesting model ( though initially potentially
discriminating people without mainstream currency investments )</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Forwarded conversation</span><br>
Subject: <b class="gmail_sendername">Global petition for
currency reform</b><br>
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<br>
<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Tim Reeves</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:43 PM<br>
To: Dante-Gabryell Monson <<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>,
Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org</a>>,
Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander@criterical.net" target="_blank">leander@criterical.net</a>>,
Mark Burton <<a href="mailto:boits@hotmail.com" target="_blank">boits@hotmail.com</a>>,
Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>>,
Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>><br>
Cc: Oliver Sachs <<a href="mailto:post@oliversachs.de" target="_blank">post@oliversachs.de</a>><br>
</font><br>
</span><br>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#003333"> Dear friends,<br>
<br>
my friend Oliver and I have the idea to start a global
petition for currency and financing reform, something so
simple and easy to understand that pretty much everyone
longing for reform can line up behind it. An online action
similar to those of Avaaz. The question is, which 3 to max.
4 simple tenets should be used? Of course we have some
ideas, but I don't want to prejudice you. We would be most
grateful if you could take five minutes to reply with what
you think could be so simple that we can get literally
millions of signatures to it.<br>
<br>
Many thanks and wishing you all well!<br>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Matthew Slater</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM<br>
To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>><br>
Cc: Dante-Gabryell Monson <<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>,
Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org</a>>,
Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander@criterical.net" target="_blank">leander@criterical.net</a>>,
Mark Burton <<a href="mailto:boits@hotmail.com" target="_blank">boits@hotmail.com</a>>,
Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
Oliver Sachs <<a href="mailto:post@oliversachs.de" target="_blank">post@oliversachs.de</a>><br>
</font><br>
</span><br>
Hi Tim et al.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, the one thing that would change everything is "<b>abolish
legal tender</b>".<br>
This would break the banking cartel, allowing currencies to
compete in the marketplace.<br>
<br>
However I have some concerns about the use of a petition as a
strategic tool.<br>
1. How would you get a useful number of signatures?<br>
2. Who would you present it to, considering that it is a
matter in principle for national governments, but they are in
thrall to banks and actually don't understand how money works
at all?<br>
<br>
My activism is in a different direction altogether.<br>
In keeping with the occupation movement which is definitely
flavour of the month, I am working with the indignants to
educate them about money, rather than making specific demands
to deaf authorities. The indignants are, wisely I think,
avoiding ideologies which will divide them. Talking to the
Spanish who achieved politically nothing, they are very happy
with what happened. They feel their country 'woke up' this
year. <br>
<br>
Working with other currency activists, I have launched this
design competition:<br>
<a href="http://99designs.com/other-design-tasks/contests/help-occupy-wall-street-design-101429/brief" target="_blank">http://99designs.com/other-design-tasks/contests/help-occupy-wall-street-design-101429/brief</a><br>
(Please circulate, blog and tweet about this!)<br>
I am also helping to organise a 'day of money' teaching on
Wall street, and maybe London too if that occupation sticks.<br>
<br>
I think it is important also to teach that when you understand
money, you don't need government cooperation, 'we the people'
can make our own.<br>
But of course I would sign any petition you were likely to put
out.<br>
<br>
Matthew<font color="#888888">-- <br>
<div><font color="#666666">Find out more about my work in
local money systems</font></div>
<div><font color="#666666"><a href="http://matslats.net" target="_blank">My personal
web site</a>�including my blog, <a href="http://matslats.net/complementary_currencies" target="_blank">Adventures in mutual credit</a></font></div>
<div><a href="http://communityforge.net" target="_blank"><font color="#666666">Community Forge</font></a></div>
<div><a href="http://ccmag.net" target="_blank"><font color="#666666">Community Currency
Magazine</font></a></div>
<div><font color="#666666">plus</font></div>
<font color="#666666"><a href="http://agoristradio.com/?p=338" target="_blank">Interview</a></font><font color="#666666"> on Agorist Radio, May 2011 (70 mins)</font>
<div><font color="#666666">Article in</font>�<a href="http://www.shareable.net/blog/living-without-money-is-an-act-of-community" target="_blank">shareable.net</a></div>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Dante-Gabryell Monson</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 1:28 AM<br>
To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>>,
Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>><br>
</font><br>
</span><br>
Tim and Matthew,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I like your approaches.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, abolishing legal tender. Though, as there may be a
hack around this ( see below ),</div>
<div>I may more specifically put an emphasis on the widening
of currency acceptance for the payment of taxes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>May I share your proposals and questions ?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>//</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Example regarding side stepping legal tender :</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As far as I remember, certain transactions using jetons
as payment tokens ( some form of "alternative currencies"
? ) , such as laverettes/washing machine places, or
snack/drink automated machines,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>first ask for the payment before receiving the product.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In addition to the obvious element of avoiding the
client to leave without paying "the automat",</div>
<div>it may in part due to the legal tender issue which says
the vendor ultimately has to accept legal tender as
payment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yet <b>if the payment is done before hand for the
product ( or service ),</b></div>
<div><b>the legal tender issue can be side stepped.</b></div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-size: large; font-weight: bold;">Forwarded
conversation</span><br>
Subject: <b class="gmail_sendername">Global petition
for currency reform</b><br>
------------------------<br>
<br>
<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Tim Reeves</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 3:43 PM<br>
To:<br>
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</span>----------<br>
<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Matthew Slater</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM<br>
To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>><br>
Cc:�<br>
</font><br>
</span></div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Tim Reeves</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:30 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a><br>
Cc: Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>>,
Oliver Sachs <<a href="mailto:post@oliversachs.de" target="_blank">post@oliversachs.de</a>>,
Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander@criterical.net" target="_blank">leander@criterical.net</a>>,
Mark Burton <<a href="mailto:boits@hotmail.com" target="_blank">boits@hotmail.com</a>>,
Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">josh.ryan-collins@neweconomics.org</a>><br>
</font><br>
</span><br>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#003333"> <font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Hi Dante,<br>
<br>
great to hear from you again!<br>
<br>
Legal Tender: Yes, I agree completely, it must be
abolished. Without wanting to say too much right now, my
first suggestion for axiom #2 has been "</font></font>The
state monopoly on the provision of money must be abolished
and regional currencies encouraged." And yes, not just the
plastic discs to stick in vending machines but also the
bonus points you get nowadays for miles on the train or
plane are forms of alternative, or at least intermediate,
currency. However, you only get the plastic discs or bonus
points when you first purchase them/something using legal
tender, so it's not sooo much of a sidestep. The Grok, as
proposed in the concept of Regional Economic Communities,
does sidestep legal tender pretty much completely (and its
proposed sister, the Mutual [description coming], absolutely
completely).<br>
<br>
Accepting alternate (regional?) currencies for taxes - yes,
I think this should be explicitly declared legal, but it
could not be enforced, since it requires a flourishing
currency before taxes can be paid in it. It should be an
option for local and regional authorities, and even one
which should be encouraged, not just tolerated.<br>
<br>
Regarding sharing proposals: In principle yes, but would you
mind holding on a day or two? I'm meeting Oliver tomorrow
afternoon and we'll be reviewing where we stand. Thanks for
your understanding, will be in touch.<br>
<br>
@All: Still eager to receive your suggestions for 3 to 4
simple basic axioms to reform the currency system - many
thanks! Am 16.10.2011 01:28, schrieb Dante-Gabryell Monson:
</div>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Josh Ryan-Collins</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 9:52 PM<br>
To: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>><br>
Cc: "<<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>"
<<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>,
Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>>,
Oliver Sachs <<a href="mailto:post@oliversachs.de" target="_blank">post@oliversachs.de</a>>,
Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander@criterical.net" target="_blank">leander@criterical.net</a>>,
Mark Burton <<a href="mailto:boits@hotmail.com" target="_blank">boits@hotmail.com</a>><br>
</font><br>
</span><br>
I would agree with Dante (nice to make your virtual
acquaintance Dante) on not going for the abolition of legal
tender. �There are multiple risks with that approach 1) a lot
of people on the left and generally will simply not buy it and
think we are monetary 'cranks'; 2) some people on the right we
might not like to associate ourselves with (particularly
goldbugs/free banking schools) will love it! and, most
importantly c) there is very little (perceived) chance of ever
happening so it will put people off bothering to sign a
petition.<br>
<br>
So much better to try to national government (or local
governments) to accept CCs as taxes. �STRO have successfully
managed this with their C3 in Uruguay, here in UK Brixton and
Bristol are getting pretty close with our local authorities.<br>
<br>
Given the crisis we are in, its important we suggest policies
that will have an immediate impact on relieving the situation.
�CC formalising is more a medium-term project. For me these
would include:<br>
<br>
1. Government/Treasury should have right to force Central Bank
to use QE for productive investment (e.g. transport
infrastructure, green infrastructure, or loans to SMEs) not to
buy financial assets from banks<br>
2. Financial Policy Committee/CB (in US the Fed I guess)
should have right to suppress speculative credit creation by
banks and encourage productive (e.g. through differential
leverage ratios which Adair Turner has suggested)<br>
3. Longer term - banks should be broken up (more needed in UK
than US) and cooperative and mutual ownership forcibly
introduced<br>
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The above combined with regional/local currencies accepted by
govts for tax would be a good combo...<br>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Matthew Slater</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 10:37 PM<br>
To: Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org</a>><br>
Cc: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>>,
"<<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>"
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Oliver Sachs <<a href="mailto:post@oliversachs.de" target="_blank">post@oliversachs.de</a>>,
Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
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<div>Hey Josh, <br>
The last time I remember the government responding to the
wishes of the people was after Thatcher was ousted in 1990
after the poll tax riots in 1989.<br>
The House of Commons is a den of thieves, controlled by
plutocrats, and petitioning MPs attributes them with a
legitimacy they long ago forfeited.<br>
So yes from a policy perspective I'm off the scale cranky,
some would call me an anarchist.<br>
I say we should ignore national governments who with four
decades notice failed to address climate change or peak
oil; we should stop working for The Man and start
rebuilding real, local economies with people-centred
values.<br>
<br>
Tim, <br>
I think our energies are much better directed into
demonstrating to the masses that local, resilient
communities offer a better way of life than the
debt-bubble corporatocracy to which some would have us
believe there is no alternative.<br>
Latest from me...<br>
Community Forge is working with Community Tools to give
social networking sites to every transition town;
community exchange accounting and the virtual marketplace
will be but two features in a platform intended to help
progressive communities manage and organise their affairs.
We intend that it would be managed and developed by a
loose federation of communities.<br>
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Matthew<br>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Josh Ryan-Collins</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:14 PM<br>
To: Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Tim Reeves <<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>>,
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<<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>,
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Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
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Mark Burton <<a href="mailto:boits@hotmail.com" target="_blank">boits@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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I think its vital to have both activities going on at the same
time - we must have massive public protest, people on the
streets, grassroots action etc. in order to force governments
to do stuff, but we must also give them the tools and make the
arguments - because most of them have know idea how money
works as we know and that's part of the reason they keep
listening to the plutocrats and the bankers who they think do
know best...<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
J<br>
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<span><font color="#888888">From: <b>Tim Reeves</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim.reeves@rewig.info" target="_blank">tim.reeves@rewig.info</a>></span><br>
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 11:37 PM<br>
To: Josh Ryan-Collins <<a href="mailto:Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org" target="_blank">Josh.Ryan-Collins@neweconomics.org</a>><br>
Cc: Matthew Slater <<a href="mailto:matslats@gmail.com" target="_blank">matslats@gmail.com</a>>,
"<<a href="mailto:dante.monson@gmail.com" target="_blank">dante.monson@gmail.com</a>>"
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Thomas Greco <<a href="mailto:thg@mindspring.com" target="_blank">thg@mindspring.com</a>>,
Leander Bindewald <<a href="mailto:leander@criterical.net" target="_blank">leander@criterical.net</a>>,
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#003333"> <font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">Dear friends,<br>
<br>
many thanks for all the valuable input! <br>
<br>
I had a long meeting and discussion today with my friend
Oliver, the guy who</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Verdana"> actually</font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Verdana"> started this ball rolling. Perhaps it's
time to reign in the horses for a bit, since when I
wrote to you I only mentioned the petition aspect, and
our deepening discussion makes it ever more clear that
that is indeed only one (major) aspect, on the political
side of things. The activist side and self-empowering of
individuals and local communities is indeed just as
important to us. We believe that Olivers idea can
address <u>both</u> aspects simultaneously and highly
effectively, by being palatable to a very broad range of
people thirsting for real change. </font></font><font size="-1"><font face="Verdana">We'll discuss it further
tomorrow and work on getting it formulated</font></font>,
and then get back to you asap, asking for your support to
really get things moving, as a cooperative initiative.<br>
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