Dea<span>r Leif,<br><br>I was discussing this as a possible p</span><span>roject fo</span><span>r 2012-2015, with </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=670510454">Elliot
Bulmer</a>, the idea w<span></span>as to study, one each yea<span>r, 1) histo</span><span>rical fo</span><span>rms of democ</span><span>racy ; 2) cu</span><span>r</span><span>rent eme</span><span>rgent fo</span><span>rms (pee</span><span>r gove</span><span>rnance included) 3) p</span><span>roposals fo</span><span>r the futu</span><span>re<br>
<br>I can only talk about this in detail afte</span><span>r mid-decembe</span><span>r as I'll be t</span><span>ravelling most of the fall ..<br><br>we could open a conceptual page on the wiki, to t</span><span>rash out ideas and sou</span><span>rces,<br>
<br>I do want this to be an 'open' discussion, i.e. without p</span><span>reconceived answe</span><span>r up f</span><span>ront,<br><br>Michel<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Leif Olsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com">leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><var></var>Dear Michel,</span></div>
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<div><span>I can confirm that very few people I met, if any, have responded to my ideas with a recognizing smile. Although Habermas advocated the idea of a 'Public Sphere' that influence policymaking - albeit mainly indirectly - and Colin Ball (a former Secretary General of the Commonwealth Foundation) argued in favor of a 'People's Chamber' in Parliament (just like the House of Commons was once introduced to balance the House of Lords), and 'Critical Communitarism' is a philosophy that at least targets this thorny issue, has neither the establishment nor the anti-establishment developed any creative thinking in this field. </span></div>
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<div><span>If you are interested in studying this issue (next year and onwards), I suggest we do it together. I have done quite a lot of preliminary work on this, and you have the 'channels'. Our coordinated efforts to open up the virtually 'holy' institution of the parliament to public scrutiny and debate would be refreshing.</span></div>
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<div><span>Whould you agree?</span></div>
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<div><span>Cheers</span></div>
<div><span>/ Leif</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Leif Olsen <<a href="mailto:leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com" target="_blank">leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> p2p-foundation <<a href="mailto:p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org" target="_blank">p2p-foundation@lists.ourproject.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:28 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Political Commons<br></font><br>
<div>Dea r Leif,
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<div>I hope you don't mind I'm sha ring this with ou r list,</div><div class="im">
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<div>this may not be an a rea I have thought t rue sufficiently,</div>
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</div><div>ve ry gene rally, I've always thought that we should make su re we have plu ralistic fo rms of democ racy, and not just one fo rum, </div>
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<div>fo r example, now, ou r rep resentative mechanisms have been hijacked, while in russia, it was the councils .. so the political commons itself could not be just one institution, but a plu rality, keeping each othe r in balance and making powe r accumulations mo re difficult</div>
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<div>we also have different domains, the territorial, the places where we work and study, and our cultural institutions (which may be a-territorial), and may require their own institutions ..</div>
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<div>I was intending to spend 3 years, as of January 2012, to study democratic forms</div>
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<div>On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Leif Olsen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">leif_thomas_olsen@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><var></var>Dear Michel,</div>
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<div>Coming back to our exchange a while ago, I wonder if you can give me some links to where you elaborate on 'political commons' - as compared to 'commons' from an ownership point of view. By this I mean 'how' this third force (i.e. non-private / non-state) shall engage in the political arena. Since politics is an area of debate and decisionmaking that affects <i>all</i> other aspects of society too, I see a need to establish a forum - a 'politcal commons' if you so wish - where such (i.e. non-private / non-state) interests can be represented. I call this 'Reference Parliaments', in which I see a significant philosophical overlap with the ideas you promote. </div>
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<div>Nevertheless, I cannot really see from your writing 'how' you expect this third force to be politically represented. Can you elaborate on this?</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>/Thomas</div>
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