I agree with the fundamental assessment,<br><br>at the same time rhetorical agression against capitalism is often counterproductive and drives away the very people you want on your side, i.e. the many who believe in a 'good capitalism'.<br>
<br>it is a bit ironic that many leading capitalists are now lamenting that 'marx was right' and 'please tax us', while amongst the demonstrators there is a feeling of 'hush, don't critique capitalism' ..<br>
<br>although it is a contradiction in terms, this is where people are, mostly, and the different measures that this entails would in any case be mostly beneficial to everyone,<br><br>so we can put underlying beliefs under brackets and seek for common demands for change, until the time is ripe for a more fundamental phase transition (just 2-3 decades away at the most, since the system is in a deep structural crisis)<br>
<br>that doesn't mean we have to hide our critiques, just that we can work with those who don't fully share it,<br><br>Michel<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Karl Robillard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:krobillard@san.rr.com">krobillard@san.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">On Thursday, October 13, 2011 04:08:25 am Michel Bauwens wrote:<br>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> From: Robert Steele <<a href="mailto:robert.david.steele.vivas@gmail.com">robert.david.steele.vivas@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Date: Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 3:27 AM<br>
> Subject: Robert Steele: Trip Report � Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 �<br>
> Second American Revolution is Real<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:Robert.David.Steele.Vivas@gmail.com">Robert.David.Steele.Vivas@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Robert Steele: Trip Report � Occupy Wall Street 6 October 2011 � Second<br>
> American Revolution is<br>
</div>> Real<<a href="http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-trip-report-occupy-wa" target="_blank">http://www.phibetaiota.net/2011/10/robert-steele-trip-report-occupy-wa</a><br>
> ll-street-6-october/>Ron Paul keeps surprising. �Integrity does appear to<br>
<div class="im">> be coming back into style.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>It's funny/sad how few seem to be able to put the pieces together. �Mr. Steele<br>
writes:<br>
� �"Capitalism is a process that can be moral or immoral�Steve Jobs was<br>
capitalism at its best, while Alan Greenspan remains capitalism at its worst,<br>
corrupt to the core."<br>
<br>
Umm.... no. �The economic elites like Steve Jobs are just as detrimental to<br>
human freedom as the financial elites. �When one person becomes conditioned to<br>
accept the controls that another wants to impose a harm has been done and<br>
society has failed.<br>
<br>
Eric Raymond on the Jobster:<br>
� �"What�s really troubling is that Jobs made the walled garden seem cool. He<br>
created a huge following that is not merely resigned to having their choices<br>
limited, but willing to praise the prison bars because they have pretty window<br>
treatments."<br>
<br>
The same can be said of capitalism itself, though both Robert and Eric would<br>
deny it.<br>
<br>
<br>
-Karl<br>
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